Every fucking time a "leftist content creator" on Instagram speaks on veganism, there's always this "no ethical consumption under capitalism" shit. Good God, the mental gymnastics are insane, and the comments are full of carnists accusing vegans of ableism, classism, and racism. I can't fucking stand this anymore.

I'm not gonna type out a whole dunk of this shit, but I had to give at least a mini-rant about it because I'm pissed the fuck off now. They screech all day about how they're against so many bigoted, reactionary, and imperialist tendencies, but when it comes to speaking out against speciesism, they have to pull so much bullshit out of their ass to justify it.

I'm fucking mad, I'm tired, and I'm about to cry because animal rights are a very sensitive subject for me. Call me a baby, but I just find it so awful that people will try to justify such an inhumane, disgusting act like this.

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  • BeamBrain [he/him]M
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    2 months ago

    Every single time a thread in this comm gets attention in other parts of Hexbear, we get a whole slew of carnists trying to debatelord us, if not just coming in to spray chud-tier anti-vegan diarrhea. Oftentimes, they then go on to claim that we provoked them by doing things like "being visibly vegan" or "talking about the processes by which animal products are made." One went so far as to complain to the admins and try to get me demodded for enforcing rule 2. After repeatedly harassing and attacking us in our own community, they then complain that we're aggressive and confrontational.

    They'll often try to deflect, saying that they're fine with veganism but that we're being too hardline in arguing for it. This, of course, is complete nonsense, and a tactic used by every hegemonic ideology in existence (see: Zionists claiming that "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic). Their goal isn't to get you to advocate for your beliefs in the best way possible, it's to tone police you out of being able to publicly express your positions at all.

    Carnists have won and continue to win everywhere, and that still isn't enough for them. Every society eats meat, every industrial society tortures and kills animals for luxury products on a massive scale, we're forced to pay for the meat industry with our tax dollars, intrusive and obnoxious advertisements for burgers and chicken wings and other animal products assault us from TV, billboards, the internet, street signs - evidence of carnists' total victory at every level of society. But a tiny, largely powerless segment of the populace saying "hey, isn't this kind of messed up?" is enough to make them go DEFCON 1 and fly into a frothing rage as if they were manning the walls of the last slaughterhouse on Earth.

    • Angel [any]
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      6 months ago

      They'll often try to deflect, saying that they're fine with veganism but that we're being too hardline in arguing for it. This, of course, is complete nonsense, and a tactic used by every hegemonic ideology in existence (see: Zionists claiming that "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic). Their goal isn't to get you to advocate for your beliefs in the best way possible, it's to tone police you out of being able to publicly express your positions at all.

      This reminds me of this post I made, in which I respond to this black carnist complaining that white vegans don't care about animals and are racist.

      As a black vegan, I don't take any complaints about the dynamics of veganism, regardless of the vegan's race, seriously if it comes from carnists. In other words, she, as a carnist, even if one of color, has no footing to discuss how intersectionality works among vegans. It'd be like Candace Owens trying to make a complaint about how white feminists aren't intersectional enough. Yeah, that's not wrong, but the take coming from someone like Candace Owens would be hard to take seriously from her own mouth because she doesn't support feminism period.

      If she were a black vegan saying something like "White vegans misunderstand vegans of color", then maybe it'd hold weight, but she's a black carnist trying to accuse white vegans of being "pushy" and says that if a BIPOC vegan is "pushy", they're perpetuating "white vegan supremacy". Her complaints aren't about "white" veganism. It's about vegans calling out her speciesist bullshit period, because no matter the color of the vegan who calls her out, she'll find a way to complain about it and say "I'm actually just mad at white vegans! By the way, if you're a BIPOC vegan who has a backbone in supporting animal liberation, then you're acting like a white vegan! I'm totally fine with BIPOC vegans, though! They just have to avoid policing my funding of animal slaughter because that's a white vegan thing to do! Tee-hee!"

      The notion that "Ethical veganism is a white thing." is disgustingly racist because it's saying that only white people can truly care about animals, and my black vegan ass sure does care so fucking much about animals that I have to control my rage whenever someone makes that awful take.