(note: while WSWS (trot site) uses CCP instead of CPC, they generally have good takes on China and support China against US imperialism)
(note: to clarify, this article is in support of Zero-COVID and sees the lifting of the policy as a grave mistake)
(note: i do not necessarily support all the shit wsws says i am not a fucking trot)
Yeah so that’s never going to happen in the next few decades so they just want China to sit in economic isolation and slowly withdraw and have their economic gains lost?
So the Chinese government should collapse the economy instantly by getting everyone sick and thus unable to work?
To answer your question with a more relevant question, should China continue in economic lockdown and isolation forever? Is this sustainable? (No it is not)
There isn’t even a choice here, it’s a foregone conclusion when the world failed to contain the virus, the CCP hand is forced by material reality
Yes, they should actually. It is better than the alternative which is to cave into the US bioterrorist demands to embrace a pro-COVID policy.
The CCP has determined it is not viable to continue zero-Covid forever and they are losing popularity of the masses. That’s their decision and the decision of the Chinese masses, you do not have the relevant data the CCP does
They will reconsider once people are rioting over empty pharmacy shelves.
Ok oh wise westerner, why don’t you go work for the CCP since you should override them with your wisdom
Let's wait and see. I have immunocompromised family in China, and I am invested in the situation.
You don’t think the CCP has immunocompromised members or family or are invested in the decision? Maybe cut the utopian trot shit that fills this article
I am not a trot. WSWS is the best I found, not the ideal source.
perhaps if the best source you could find with this opinion, then it would be worth reevaluating your opinion
"well maybe if you share your opinion with someone stupid your opinion is stupid!"
-let er rip activist
If the best source of your opinion is a Trotskyist website advocating for china to escalate it’s zero covid policy into a global revolution then yes, perhaps evaluate lol
Besides, most of the imperialist core’s state media have also adopted the position that china relaxing it’s zero-covid policy is now somehow bad and catastrophic, as though they were not saying the exact opposite three days ago.
The western media has adopted the position that people in Russia going to churches therefore we must....
hmm? I don’t understand.
You're doing the Parenti quote except you've taken the opposite of the intended message.
Besides, the 'best source of [their] opinion' isn't a trot website, it's literally every doctor in the world.
I’m literally posting Parenti emoji elsewhere, so yes, that is the point I’m making.
I trust the CPC to be handling this in the correct way that benefits the people of China.
Except you seem to have taken the exact opposite of the intended meaning of it
In the context of you arguing in favor of Let 'Er Rip you brought up the fact that western media agrees with you now
We appear to be miscommunicating here. Either way, I support the CPC in its decisions and trust that the people of China are being represented by their party.
I also have at no point said I support “let er rip”, neither has the CPC.
the western media is now attacking China for shifting away from zero covid, hence the Parenti quote.
The Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/19/china-zero-covid-policy-restrictions-protests/
the financial times:
https://www.ft.com/content/392a603d-5f6f-4270-bec2-41e5da69cc67
the guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/17/baby-death-china-incites-anger-social-media-zero-covid-rules
Unsurprisingly, western media is also using this as an excuse to harp on about xinjiang again:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-16/china-s-covid-zero-lockdown-in-xinjiang-has-just-hit-100-days
If you read the above, they’re upset that China is gradually adapting their policy and not “letting ‘er rip”, as you phrased it.
Blind trust is as good as blind hatred. We know, based on years of doctors telling us, what should be happening.
Do you think China is acting in the best interests of its elderly and immune compromised citizens by removing restrictions and letting covid spread more easily? If not, what constituency do you think gets to be 'the people' in the context of exercising political power here?
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by posting a bunch of western media sources doing what we both agreed they're doing. It's entirely separate from the actual conversation and was only relevant to the degree you were using western media to validate your opinion
:wut:
Regardless, I believe that the CPC is acting in the best interest of its people given the many points of information it has and the experts working within the party.
I also believe that their track record so far shows that the Chinese government are better equipped to make these decisions than westerners on the internet.
I’m glad we understand each other on this part of things now and are in agreement! That is good to hear. You had been confused previously and thought I meant something else, which is why I clarified with those examples.
And now I have to repeat myself in the face of someone pretending I didn't say something.
Do you think China is acting in the best interests of its elderly and immune compromised citizens by removing restrictions and letting covid spread more easily? If not, what constituency do you think gets to be ‘the people’ in the context of exercising political power here?
I believe that your framing and questioning here is incorrect. The Chinese government is gradually adapting their covid policies as they have always done. They are having to balance public health with the long term stability of the country now that the most of the world has given up on attempting any sort of Covid mitigation at all.
We also agree that our media sources in the west are unreliable and actively serve imperialism. Most reporting we receive in the imperial core will be against China and provide the most negative interpretations of the country’s actions.
I am not a pathologist and I am also not actively living in China at this moment, so I can clarify my thoughts here to “do I support the CPC and the PRC as a whole?" and "Do I believe they are working in good faith to build socialism and do right by their people?”
For me, the answer to both of those questions in the last paragraph are “yes”. I hope that helps.
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this article is filled with trot shit, calling socialism in china a "fallacy" and demanding they keep up utopian levels of effort at a doomed project the rest of the world has rejected and will never accomplish