Vegetarians who say this shit say they enjoy getting encouragement from vegans, but they actually just want a pat on the back and brownie points from susceptible vegans, not actual encouragement.

This is the greatest encouragement I can give them, but because it's in an "aggressive" tone, they love to say "You're the reason why people shy away from going vegan!"

Sorry to tell ya, but if some harsh words promoting the very ideological foundation of veganism are enough to discourage you, then you clearly don't have a plan to "transition" to veganism to begin with.

Imagine telling someone "You really need to stop being fucking racist." and then they say "Ugh! I'm working on it! You being so pushy makes me want to be more racist actually!"

The cheese rots into their brains apparently.

      • Babs [she/her]
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        7 months ago

        Not gonna knock someone for not getting rid of old belongings, but why eat dairy? The old leather is just old leather now, but why continue to (even very infrequently) consume milk knowing all the awfulness that goes into its production?

          • Babs [she/her]
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            7 months ago

            My secret to eating vegan in places without vegan restaurants cool-bean chickpea chefs-kiss

            But yeah to be fair I don't have a lot of experience eating out at restaurants in towns with a sub-5k population. I imagine if you find yourself travelling to bumfuck, nowhere and for whatever reason find it impossible to prepare your own food, it would be hard to find cooked meals that are vegan. When I travel I do need to plan a little more, and sometimes pack food if I'm going through somewhere particularly desolate. Not always having a restaurant I can go to is one of those many little inconveniences all vegans have to deal with every now and then.

            • booty [he/him]
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              7 months ago

              ive never encountered a vegan restaurant or seen a vegan restaurant or heard of a vegan restaurant anywhere i could travel to. ive been to shitty tiny towns in the middle of nowhere. i go to the grocery store and buy some fruits and peanut butter or, if ive got the tools to cook, some beans as you said

              I'm not saying there's absolutely no place in America I could find myself transported to and feel obligated to eat an animal product, but that place certainly isn't anywhere that there are restaurants serving animal products

      • Angel [any]
        hexagon
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        7 months ago

        "I will allow the consumption of an animal product."

        So not vegan. I understand you said "very infrequent", but asserting that there's some caveat in your life where you can be like "Well, dairy is fine in this particular instance." isn't vegan no matter how you slice it.

          • Babs [she/her]
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            7 months ago

            You gotta admit that "I'm a vegan except when I eat animal products" is a bit of a head-turner.

            • Angel [any]
              hexagon
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              7 months ago

              "Vegan except on certain occasions" certainly does miss the point.

              • Babs [she/her]
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                7 months ago

                I have a moral opinion considered extreme by the vast majority of society, so I put it aside when it gets inconvenient.

                Eating plants while traveling isn't some new enigma that vegans have yet to figure out.

                • Angel [any]
                  hexagon
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                  7 months ago

                  There's something concerning about the notion that you'll have to cut your family out of your life just because you want to bring your own vegan food on a trip. Is everything fine with you? Are you not convicted enough to just tell them that you'd rather eat your own vegan food? Will they be really rude or harsh to you if you say you want to do that? I'm genuinely curious about all of these dynamics and why that has to be the straw that gets you to say "I'll allow animal products on this rare occasion". Is there genuinely no work around for that whatsoever?

      • Yor [she/her]M
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        7 months ago

        Embarrassing carnist posting cringe, go figure