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  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    There's a lesson in every single shitbrained American who goes to NK and tries to fuck around: don't go to countries that your own country is still legally at war with and also completely leveled and genocided and break laws. America imprisons foreigners who come here and break laws all the time, so it's not like it's a surprise that it could happen to you in a country your military flattened.

    edit: and to the possible concern that NK didn't provide the best medical care possible: our prisoners don't even get bad medical care, for the most part, and our nation isn't even being sanctioned making medical supplies scarce.

    • robinn [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I live in the US and I'd like to travel to NK sometime. I know the US has a ban on letting people travel there but there will prob be a way around it later.

  • ilyenkov [she/her, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Been years since I looked into this, but as far as I remember basically he was a dumbshit American who went to the DPRK to do "missionary" work (which, if you know much about Korean history or colonialism in general is pretty sus). He gets arrested for stealing. It then seems likely that he tried to kill himself, this being why he was all fucked up and eventually died. There was no evidence he was ever tortured or mistreated by the DPRK.

    • Kanna [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      In fact it was stated by medical professionals that he received good care in the DPRK. Also the family also refused an autopsy for whatever reason

      • robinn [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I don't question the autopsy refusal tbh. The parents lied about his condition , something even western news reports but whatever the case we know they were lying regardless. It could've been done for religious reasons or whatever.

  • Kanna [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I don't know that any justification is needed? He entered a foreign country, that his nation has a many decades history of being hostile towards, and snuck into an area he shouldn't have been in to steal a government poster from. The US has leveled the DPRK in the past, committed war crimes and atrocities during their invasion, and continues to impose sanctions and demonize it to the rest of the world, all because they checks notes try to exist outside of capitalism. It's been ruled that there were no signs of torture and even after his incident (whether medical issue or self inflicted) he received good medical care the entire time he was there.

    Honestly, he's a typical, white american so of course his case will forever be a "tragedy" and the fault of the evil North Koreans!!, meanwhile the history between the countries and the facts of the situation will forever be obfuscated or just straight up called "obvious North Korean lies" whenever this comes up

    • robinn [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Looked into it more, apparently his parents decided to pull the plug almost immediately after he arrived "He died six days later in the United States, after his parents decided to end the life support that was sustaining his vegetative state.” ( NYT )

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Others are correctly pointing out he entered an area he was not allowed in. Sorry I don't have a source, but IIRC it was actually a part of the hotel that was utilized by the military and he was told at least once not to go there. Guess what happens to you if you illegally intrude on a US military installation?