In most cases, people are only a danger to others because society grants them power. In those cases, moving them to prison is a way of scapegoating systemically.
sure but the stalker threatening to kill his partner needs to be rendered unable to harm them. serial rapist and murderers are dangerous because of their physical power against their victim not societal. these men will still exist in our post capitalist society.
sure but the stalker threatening to kill his partner needs to be rendered unable to harm them.
Okay, why is a structure designed to uphold capitalist values the number one answer here?
serial rapist and murderers are dangerous because of their physical power against their victim not societal.
This is incorrect. Serial murderers target oppressed groups for a reason. There is a reason why trans people are raped a lot more than cis women. There is a reason why black people are more subject to violence by other members of society that aren't cops. (In addition to cops)
Well, two reasons. Hatred and because they are easier to target, for social reasons
(This is reductive but the examples I can think of which point out it is reductive also reinforce the case Im making so I'm not going to bother, this is a strenuous topic)
Not to be contrarian or anything because I'm genuinely undecided on this topic, but there are serial killers that target children who would be vulnerable no matter how otherwise equitable society was. I don't know enough yet, I hope that people who are compelled to kill others are just products of material conditions and aren't just psychologically abnormal in such an extreme way. I can't tell if it's libshit or not to propose that some people are born with an ability to kill without remorse or to enjoy killing
There are a variety of biologically rooted conditions that predispose people to violently anti-social behavior and there's no reason to believe these conditions would somehow disappear in a more egalitarian society. People with various conditions like narcissism or anti-social personality disorder exhibit measurable, readily viewed abnormal brain states and show pervasive patterns of disregard for the rights and wellbeing of others regardless of their material circumstances or experiences.
Individuals with these conditions still vary widely; Some will never commit overt acts of violence, while others will engage in serial acts of violence and abuse. But the underlying causes are biological and generally cannot be addressed with therapy or psychiatric intervention. There's actually a notorious phenomena where putting some narcissists and people with ASPD through therapy teaches them how to better abuse and manipulate people while evading consequences by giving them a better understanding of human emotion and psychology.
danger to others? you need to be seperated, not a danger? you shouldn't be in prison. thats just my thinking.
In most cases, people are only a danger to others because society grants them power. In those cases, moving them to prison is a way of scapegoating systemically.
sure but the stalker threatening to kill his partner needs to be rendered unable to harm them. serial rapist and murderers are dangerous because of their physical power against their victim not societal. these men will still exist in our post capitalist society.
Okay, why is a structure designed to uphold capitalist values the number one answer here?
This is incorrect. Serial murderers target oppressed groups for a reason. There is a reason why trans people are raped a lot more than cis women. There is a reason why black people are more subject to violence by other members of society that aren't cops. (In addition to cops)
Well, two reasons. Hatred and because they are easier to target, for social reasons
(This is reductive but the examples I can think of which point out it is reductive also reinforce the case Im making so I'm not going to bother, this is a strenuous topic)
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Not to be contrarian or anything because I'm genuinely undecided on this topic, but there are serial killers that target children who would be vulnerable no matter how otherwise equitable society was. I don't know enough yet, I hope that people who are compelled to kill others are just products of material conditions and aren't just psychologically abnormal in such an extreme way. I can't tell if it's libshit or not to propose that some people are born with an ability to kill without remorse or to enjoy killing
There are a variety of biologically rooted conditions that predispose people to violently anti-social behavior and there's no reason to believe these conditions would somehow disappear in a more egalitarian society. People with various conditions like narcissism or anti-social personality disorder exhibit measurable, readily viewed abnormal brain states and show pervasive patterns of disregard for the rights and wellbeing of others regardless of their material circumstances or experiences.
Individuals with these conditions still vary widely; Some will never commit overt acts of violence, while others will engage in serial acts of violence and abuse. But the underlying causes are biological and generally cannot be addressed with therapy or psychiatric intervention. There's actually a notorious phenomena where putting some narcissists and people with ASPD through therapy teaches them how to better abuse and manipulate people while evading consequences by giving them a better understanding of human emotion and psychology.