If avoiding typing extra characters is high on your list of priorities for a language then you need more experience programming. Higher priorities should revolve around ensuring the code you write works.
JavaScript is not owned by Oracle, that's Java, which has nothing to do with JavaScript besides curly braces. JavaScript has no license. There is a public reference spec and various (sometimes conflicting) implentations of an interpreter.
Despite official releases of java being proprietary, there are always compatible releases of OpenJDk which are GPLv2
Google doesn't own Go either, some ex-google engineers did start it but its BSD license.
Passing arguments in static typed language are a pain 😩
:warf-wtf: are you using different types for the same arguements? This is a first class way to break your program. Good python development is constantly manually checking for programmer error as though it was user error. Static languages just do that for you.
Passing arrays inside C type languages is horrible. Other users already responded to the ownership issue. Honestly I'm just pretending to be mad because I want to see programming struggle session. But obviously I don't want to actually upset anyone.
Sure, I specifically hate writing in C and have no issue saying sending arrays around in C isn't fun. I took "C type languages" as anything in the very specific C++ lineage, considering the very first complaint in this conversation was about semi-colons and brackets. Like, what's a "C type" language even mean if the only option is "C"? I was simply pointing out complaining about passing arrays around in a "C type language" is a weird complaint as your reason for using primarily python as there are a mountain of languages between "Python or C" that don't have that issue.
If all you care about is the syntax then yes. But java is so fundamentally different under the hood than C that I would call it its own thing. Like it's hardwired to be OOP, you dont do any manual memory management, and its compiled to run on a special VM. I would say that's wildly different from C.
Its like how JavaScript is meant to look like Java but its really far more like LISP under the hood.
Passing arrays in C isn't hard because of the syntax. Its hard because of how C handles memory. C# and Java are designed to be memory safe so they dont have that problem.
If avoiding typing extra characters is high on your list of priorities for a language then you need more experience programming. Higher priorities should revolve around ensuring the code you write works.
JavaScript is not owned by Oracle, that's Java, which has nothing to do with JavaScript besides curly braces. JavaScript has no license. There is a public reference spec and various (sometimes conflicting) implentations of an interpreter.
Despite official releases of java being proprietary, there are always compatible releases of OpenJDk which are GPLv2
Google doesn't own Go either, some ex-google engineers did start it but its BSD license.
:warf-wtf: are you using different types for the same arguements? This is a first class way to break your program. Good python development is constantly manually checking for programmer error as though it was user error. Static languages just do that for you.
in practice google effectively owns go. the language is still rapidly changing and none of those changes happen unless google's ok with it
Passing arrays inside C type languages is horrible. Other users already responded to the ownership issue. Honestly I'm just pretending to be mad because I want to see programming struggle session. But obviously I don't want to actually upset anyone.
I don't understand this one. C# is one of the most popular C type languages, and there's nothing weird about passing arrays?
Thats because C# is only a "C-type" language in name and curly braces. In reality its just Microsoft Java.
Is Java not also a C derivative?
not really no. the syntax is similar, but it has more in common with C++ than C.
i sort of agree with @ButtBidet on C specifically, where arrays are essentially just syntactic sugar for memory pointers.
Sure, I specifically hate writing in C and have no issue saying sending arrays around in C isn't fun. I took "C type languages" as anything in the very specific C++ lineage, considering the very first complaint in this conversation was about semi-colons and brackets. Like, what's a "C type" language even mean if the only option is "C"? I was simply pointing out complaining about passing arrays around in a "C type language" is a weird complaint as your reason for using primarily python as there are a mountain of languages between "Python or C" that don't have that issue.
If all you care about is the syntax then yes. But java is so fundamentally different under the hood than C that I would call it its own thing. Like it's hardwired to be OOP, you dont do any manual memory management, and its compiled to run on a special VM. I would say that's wildly different from C.
Its like how JavaScript is meant to look like Java but its really far more like LISP under the hood.
but we're in a thread talking very specifically about syntax...
Passing arrays in C isn't hard because of the syntax. Its hard because of how C handles memory. C# and Java are designed to be memory safe so they dont have that problem.