Also, literally who cares. This isn't politics. Zoomers and millenials are very left-wing and that hasn't changer significantly in recent years. This isn't happening at scales that are shifting the political landscape. Idk why there is an obsession with this shit.

  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    No, it's not that the left gives brain-dead advice to Western men, it just gives them hard truths that are hard to swallow and challenge the concept of masculinity that has been given to them. Much of the time, it points out that third world women more embody the traits of masculinity that they so covet, which likely means the whole thing was a charade to begin with.

    However, even if they internalize it, this will not help, because everyone else has internalized this contradictory set of masculinity as well. In fact, it is somewhat a prerequisite for being social to ignore these contradictions. There are many women who hate when strange men are creepy to them, but love when their boyfriends are creepy, jealous, and possessive. Online discourse is just as, if not more, toxic for women and their views of feminity and masculinity.

    Men and women are both broken, but they are not broken equally, and while it is likely more important to reach out to the men, as they trend towards more public violence, these things have to be talked about together or they will never be addressed adequately at all.

    • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      we can't really do anything with these hard truths. It's structurally helpful to get guys who will listen be 20% better than background levels of misogyny but we don't have anything to offer somebody who is touch starved, vaguely suicidal due to loneliness and poverty, and never learned an alternative to the toxic normative gendered interactions.

      and women need to be receptive to whatever that alternative is too, it doesn't help anyone if we enlighten men and then straight women assume a masc person isn't interested because he's polite and respectful.