• BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    "If Ukraine promotes Bandera in its historical policy, it will alienate Europe, which has an unequivocal opinion about Nazi collaborators"

    Does it really

    • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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      2 months ago

      europeans only disliked nazis because they killed europeans

      if nazis didn't destroy europe in a war they'd be celebrated as heroes (look at how much europeans worship america)

      • VILenin [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Europeans loved the Nazis, they only “dislike” them now that their new fascist daddy USA has taken over.

        Nazi collaboration was the norm across all of Western Europe. Of course, if all you had to go by were the word of Europeans you’d find that the number of resistance members seemed to be triple the population of Europe.

    • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      Honestly i think the eu-cool only has a negative view of bandera because he killed polish people, if the OUN only killed jews and russians they wouldnt care much

      • Leon_Frotsky [she/her, undecided]
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        2 months ago

        i've unironically seen a more moderate NAFO mf be convinced that bandera was bad because a polish person was angry at him being glorified because of his killing of poles, but they didnt care about the antisemitic pogroms and killing communists and russians

  • ReadFanon [any, any]
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    2 months ago

    Jerry Heil

    The punchlines write themselves, don't they?

    • LocalMaxima [she/her]
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      2 months ago

      After registering for the Russian social media service VKontakte, she used the name Jerry Mouse, referencing the cartoon character of the same name. She then changed Mouse to Heil, claiming she went to a site with American surnames and chose the one she liked the most.

      hmm

      • Civility [none/use name]
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        2 months ago

        There’s an outside possibility that her stage name being effectively “Heil Nazi Germany” is a coincidence as she claims.

        But her decision to keep that name despite it’s meaning, (which she is clearly aware of as she feels the need to justify it), her popularity in Ukraine despite keeping that name, the Ukrainian state’s decision to send her as their representative to EuroVision and to dress her in an outfit winking coyly at their Nazi national hero, that is a lot of outside possibilities all at once.

        • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]
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          2 months ago

          I feel the same way about it that I did about the Finnish air force keeping the swastika post WWII. After the passage of enough time, it stops being an 'accident'

        • ReadFanon [any, any]
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          2 months ago

          If I were into drag performance there's a 100% chance that I would create a parody character of her and perform a comedic piece based on her song under the character name Stashynsky Squirter and then upload the recording of the performance to social media and tag her in it.

          Of course I'd also tell her that Stashynsky seemed like pretty common Ukrainian surname and that I'm only winking at the camera because I have an eyelash caught in my eye.

      • TheWolfOfSouthEnd@lemmygrad.ml
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        2 months ago

        I can’t think of a single person, American or otherwise, I’ve known with that surname. And from what I know of Americans, they’d change it if that were their name.

    • yoink [she/her]
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      2 months ago

      bro who let Jimmy Hitler into the venue

  • SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them]
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    2 months ago

    Remember when Eurovision handed the win to Ukraine, just because of the invasion? And then libs came out of the woodwork to claim that it had nothing to do the war at all, sweaty?!

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Ukrainian nationalist dont use a symbol from a known nazi collaborator challenge. Level: impossible

    ukkkraine qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

    • Civility [none/use name]
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      2 months ago

      Jerry Heil

      It’s worse than you might think. Jerry was what Allied soldiers called German soldiers and Nazi Germany in general during World War II.

        • Civility [none/use name]
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          2 months ago

          For sure. If her stage name was Jane or Joey Heil that would still set the dogs barking while say, Jerry Henderson wouldn’t.

          But taken together I do think her whole stage name being “Heil Nazi Soldier” instead of simply “firstname Heil” is worse (and less plausibly deniable), and helps explain why she might have chosen that otherwise innocuous firstname.

  • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    Aside from Bandera, Balenciaga is a cooked reference in and of itself and I'm not talking about the wayfair-tier child pornography/Devilry "scandal" the fashion company had a year or two ago. Cristóbal Balenciaga tailored clothes for the Spanish royal family and, after the civil war, the Franco family. His studio in Paris was one of the few allowed to continue operations during Nazi occupation.