And also please tell me what right wing coalition is going to support health care, a living wage, and union organizing

I cannot believe people with this much experience can fall for libertarian platitude and Marjorie Taylor Greene tweets and decide that the "left" needs to form a coalition with the :live-tucker-reaction: resistance front

also

cw misogyny anti woman

Jackson Hinkle one of these people who would clearly be a part of this "left right coalition" said

Haz, chimes in: there are a lot of fat women on codepink. Hinkle: yes they’re ugly

among other things after she dipped out of the "antiwar conference" these people are not your friends and not even your short term allies.

the highest liked response to this tweet is from the LaRouche senate candidate :data-laughing:

  • M68040 [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I'm sorry but if it's the right or the deep state or whatever, i'm all in on the deep state. Even if they're not the really cool version the right constantly bitch about.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Its a riddle of coalition building you can't escape by just pointing at a side and saying "I like them better." Because institutional Deep State agents and bureaucrats can't be on your side. They don't get where they are by being free-agents nor are they particularly receptive to outside views. At best, you can be on their side when they consider you useful. More likely, you're just rooting for your favorite baseball team without actually doing anything of substance.

      If you want to be an activist, you're going to have to interface with lots of other people who have their own personalities and views. And plenty of those people are going to be difficult to work with, either because they've got reactionary views or obnoxious personalities or because they're flakes. So when you find someone who is as enthusiastic about a thing - say, obstructing the federal government in prosecuting a war abroad - and they're not flakes and they're not totally obnoxious to be around, how willing are you to disassociate from them because they've got Ron Paul bumper stickers or Andrew Sullivan in their news feed?

      Idk. Its easy to do nothing all day and tell yourself "I'd never work with someone on the right!" quietly, alone, while staring at a computer screen at 2 am.

      It's less easy to spend hours or days or weeks or months or years trolling around town looking for an organization to which you can apply some kind of useful and productive effort, then hit on a group where you genuinely feel you're making productive use of your time, and finally - after having invested substantive portions of your sweet and tears into a project - walk away because someone else says something noxious.

      On the flip side, if you're just on your grift game, right-wing money spends as good as anyone else's. So if you're a Keffles or a Matt Taibi and you've got bills to pay, maybe you take the Daily Wire money and pretend you're just reaching a wider audience. Again, Idk. I'm nowhere near as influential as Matt Taibi, so I doubt I'll ever have to make that kind of choice.

      But there's a reason right-left relationships form. Its not just everyone on the Left being closet Fash or sell-outs or whatever.

      • M68040 [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah, the core of my politics is not liking the right (particularly libertarians) and i don't really like people that much in general anymore so i'm not really the coalition building type. Plain'd rather choose failure on my terms than success contingent on tolerating the idiots with gadsen flag bumper stickers.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          the core of my politics is not liking the right

          I get that. But I'm down in Texas. If I didn't like the right, I'd have a hard time liking a whole lot of people.

          Plain’d rather choose failure on my terms than success contingent on tolerating the idiots with gadsen flag bumper stickers.

          There are a lot of people who share our grievances, but have internalized a completely different set of causes.

          There are a lot worse things you can have on your car than the Garden Flag. Cop plates, for instance.