Picts are the people who were there before the Celtic migration. nobody really knows where the Celts came from. the most accepted hypothesis is that they came from central europe (modern day austria). newer hypotheses are that they were originally from the Atlantic coast of europe or Gaul
the idea picts are a kind of rump 'indigenous' enclave is no longer popular they've found some inscriptions & analyzed the names and think they also spoke a celtic language
there is proof they spoke a proto-Celtic language before the mass bronze age migration by the Celts. but this doesnt mean theyre Celts. i would argue it proves the opposite: that the “Celtic” identity originated from that bronze age migration to differentiate themselves from the Picts. even if they share common ancestors only a few centuries prior to that, the Picts are the oldest group we have evidence of existing on terf island.
the fact that they spoke a “proto-Celtic” language only shows that language developed when the Picts’ ancestors lived in mainland europe and there are similarities from the language the Celts used due to common ancestry
or maybe their language was influenced by the Celts after both groups lived on the island
calling them Picts is inaccurate actually since thats the names the romans gave them and by then Celtic identity had been established. when i say Pict i mean the people who were there before the Celts
Fair enough. Yeah I've always heard the theory they were celts, but it seems that's becoming dated. They still are a pretty big mystery and what happened to them I don't think we know yet.
Most likely theory is that they just were absorbed by the Scoti and Britons as well as the angles living in Scotland at the same time.
ancient history is a fuck. all we have are clues and we’re left to connect the dots. but my personal theory is that the Celts originated in Gaul, colonized a bit in the east and west (hence their presence in current day austria and the west coast of europe. then as a result of the romans terrorizing them, migrated north until they colonized terf island and pushed the Picts north. then when the romans came to the isles the Celts were pushed north and mixed with the Picts (who knows how long the Picts were there for, they might have been only a few centuries removed from the Celts)
Are the Picts not Celtic Britons?
Picts are the people who were there before the Celtic migration. nobody really knows where the Celts came from. the most accepted hypothesis is that they came from central europe (modern day austria). newer hypotheses are that they were originally from the Atlantic coast of europe or Gaul
the idea picts are a kind of rump 'indigenous' enclave is no longer popular they've found some inscriptions & analyzed the names and think they also spoke a celtic language
This is what Ive always heard. I thought it was generally accepted they spoke a Brythonic tounge similar in some ways to Welsh.
there is proof they spoke a proto-Celtic language before the mass bronze age migration by the Celts. but this doesnt mean theyre Celts. i would argue it proves the opposite: that the “Celtic” identity originated from that bronze age migration to differentiate themselves from the Picts. even if they share common ancestors only a few centuries prior to that, the Picts are the oldest group we have evidence of existing on terf island.
the fact that they spoke a “proto-Celtic” language only shows that language developed when the Picts’ ancestors lived in mainland europe and there are similarities from the language the Celts used due to common ancestry
or maybe their language was influenced by the Celts after both groups lived on the island
there is proof people lived in britain who did not speak celtic. their relationship to or identification with 'Picts' is pure conjecture.
true, my bad. i was using the term Picts to refer to another people.
calling them Picts is inaccurate actually since thats the names the romans gave them and by then Celtic identity had been established. when i say Pict i mean the people who were there before the Celts
Fair enough. Yeah I've always heard the theory they were celts, but it seems that's becoming dated. They still are a pretty big mystery and what happened to them I don't think we know yet.
Most likely theory is that they just were absorbed by the Scoti and Britons as well as the angles living in Scotland at the same time.
ancient history is a fuck. all we have are clues and we’re left to connect the dots. but my personal theory is that the Celts originated in Gaul, colonized a bit in the east and west (hence their presence in current day austria and the west coast of europe. then as a result of the romans terrorizing them, migrated north until they colonized terf island and pushed the Picts north. then when the romans came to the isles the Celts were pushed north and mixed with the Picts (who knows how long the Picts were there for, they might have been only a few centuries removed from the Celts)