• He came over to your side yesterday and is changing the state over to your ideology. They're still going to do imperialism and slavery and everything, and nothing will fundamentally change, but it'll still be your ideology, totally.

  • They've been feeding you to lions for centuries because of your refusal to acknowledge the state's authority. Now they'll stop, unless you deviate from the state-approved version in any way, in which case they'll burn you at the stake. The state-approved version involves acknowledging the state's authority.

  • He seems oddly keen on having everyone go around flashing a symbol of the cruel and humiliating way the state brutally executed your founder.

  • You don't get a say in what the state-approved version will look like, but he'll preside over ever meeting deciding that. There won't be any more communes.

Your network of communes began as a doomsday cult eagerly waiting for the apocalypse to happen where the empire you live under would be destroyed, but that didn't happen so you've all just been kinda hanging out in secret meetings trying to support each other and survive :doomer:

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
    hexagon
    ·
    2 years ago

    Constantine already lives rent free in my head but my lastest kick of reading about heresies has me hating on Augustine just as much.

    After the state endorsement of Christianity, there were a bunch of social climbers who jumped aboard the label without really caring about the teachings. A 4th century British theologian named Pelagus criticized this tendency and emphasized free will and the importance of moral behavior, including redistribution of wealth to the poor. He taught that humans are born sinless, and it is theoretically possible (if extremely difficult) to live a sinless life.

    What Pelagus considered moral behavior
    He is a Christian
    
        who shows compassion to all,
        who is not at all provoked by wrong done to him,
        who does not allow the poor to be oppressed in his presence,
        who helps the wretched,
        who succors the needy,
        who mourns with the mourners,
        who feels another's pain as if it were his own,
        who is moved to tears by the tears of others,
        whose house is common to all,
        whose door is closed to no one,
        whose table no poor man does not know,
        whose food is offered to all,
        whose goodness all know and at whose hands no one experiences injury,
        who serves God all day and night,
        who ponders and meditates upon his commandments unceasingly,
        who is made poor in the eyes of the world so that he may become rich before God.
    

    At the time, the dogma of original sin had not been established and was a controversial new idea that ran against early Christian beliefs, but it was successfully championed by Augustine. By claiming that it was impossible to achieve salvation by living a moral life, but rather only through the grace of God, it emphasized the importance of the clergy as providing the only access to salvation via sacraments - a factor which was explicitly expressed in the judgement against Pelagus - which laid the groundwork for the selling of indulgences. It also established extremely weird positions like that everyone who died never having heard of Christianity, including unbaptised infants, were automatically sent to Hell. But hey, Roman PMCs could rest easy knowing that they just had to go through the motions and respect the church's authority rather than doing anything crazy like freeing their slaves or something. Meanwhile, he more or less embraced predestination, which was cited extensively by John Calvin (and eventually leading to the modern Catholic teaching which is that God places you in circumstances where he knows ahead of time if you'll pass or fail, but this is different from predetermining your fate... somehow).

    So much of this shit is still so relevant because so many people take these beliefs for granted with no consideration of the material influences and interests driving their development.

    • vertexarray [any]
      ·
      2 years ago

      I've been reading Confessions without doing all the historical context reading beforehand. Right around the middle of chapter 10, I ran into a passage that made me think "this shit smacks of predestination" and looked up "augustine calvin" for the first time. Imagine my surprise!