• He came over to your side yesterday and is changing the state over to your ideology. They're still going to do imperialism and slavery and everything, and nothing will fundamentally change, but it'll still be your ideology, totally.

  • They've been feeding you to lions for centuries because of your refusal to acknowledge the state's authority. Now they'll stop, unless you deviate from the state-approved version in any way, in which case they'll burn you at the stake. The state-approved version involves acknowledging the state's authority.

  • He seems oddly keen on having everyone go around flashing a symbol of the cruel and humiliating way the state brutally executed your founder.

  • You don't get a say in what the state-approved version will look like, but he'll preside over ever meeting deciding that. There won't be any more communes.

Your network of communes began as a doomsday cult eagerly waiting for the apocalypse to happen where the empire you live under would be destroyed, but that didn't happen so you've all just been kinda hanging out in secret meetings trying to support each other and survive :doomer:

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I guess the fundamental difference between you and me is that I don't see the Gospels as depicting an entirely accurate picture of Jesus the historical figure. Yes, Jesus as depicted in the Gospels is largely concerned with spiritual life, but that's Jesus as depicted in the Gospel by a class of literate imperial subjects, not Jesus the historical figure. To me, there's no real reason why the Romans would bother to crucify Jesus unless he represented a political threat to their colonial holding. "I'm the Son of God please worship me" isn't really enough to assasinate someone, especially if they're exclusively concerned with spiritual life, but "I'm the Son of God please worship me oh yeah we should plot to overthrow the Roman colonizers and free Judea from the Roman yoke" is a legitimate threat, especially if the following is large enough.

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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      2 years ago

      The fundamental difference between you and me is I have studied Roman history. He wasn't assassinated, he was executed because he was causing a ruckus. The Romans killed troublemakers all the time. Why were early Christians pacifists? Why did the apostles get money from Judea and move it to the rest of the empire? Why were Christians happy the temple, the greatest image of Judea, was destroyed? Why does no surviving apocrypha have a more militaristic Jesus? Why would the Jews in Rome have trouble with others who wanted to free Judea? There is simply too great of evidence for Jesus to have not been a violent revolutionary, and none for him to have been.