not sure if this has been posted here before, but it's not new. i felt like this was a pretty solid summary of the devolving situation in eastern europe. i think it lands where a lot of us are, which is that the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers (but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia's invasion had anything to do with that really).
the last time i really argued it out, it was with a lib that thought bringing up the holodomor made sense. shit is absolutely infuriating.
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Also tbf, I was arguing with someone who I thought would at least be a bit better than that, but boy was I wrong.
Last time I argued about it, the lib I was talking to took the position that Donbas and Crimea should be ethnically cleansed. I also thought that she would be better than that, but people I'm related to think that I'm the fucking Nazi for arguing that a minority group should be allowed to separate from a country that starts attacking them.