Ngl it’s a real catch 22 situation for the mayos.

  • RikerDaxism [it/its]
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    2 years ago

    It is almost like racism is a structure that can't be fully escaped from by just having the correct opinions

          • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            My point is that doesn’t really seem to stop a lot of leftist from dragging “mayos” for moving to places.

            As a mayo myself, we can mostly ignore these people. This is a twitter take, nobody in an organization is gonna call you a gentrifier if you're participating in mutual aid and shit. If someone did call me a colonizer IRL, I'd be happy to discuss how the construction of the white race is detrimental to everyone and how economic decisions of the elite pit working class against each other.

              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                online stuff does leak into irl in subtle ways

                I think we underestimate how much online stuff leaks into the real world. Look at that post today (one of many similar posts) with some YouTuber shit written on a Ukranian shell.

                Think of how much time most people spend online. Think of how prevalent it is to share memes and such with real-life friends in group chats. Look at stuff like this. Look at all the merging of online media and traditional media (podcasts are a huge part of this). Do we really think most people wall all of that off from the rest of their brains?

      • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Any white person who isn't a Maoist guerrilla (urban or rural, I don't mind) is a colonizing liberal.

      • familiar [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        we say that but then turn around and give shit to individual white people

        Giving shit to individual people in a class is sort of a form of liberalism (so watch the "we" in that sentence ;) )

  • BatCountryMusicFan [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Beware the trap of aestheticization, you will become as another Michael Harriot.

    But fr yeah that's kind of the trap of whiteness. No matter where you go you occupy an elevated and alienating social position even if you don't want to. I was born on the south side of Chicago but people still think I'm a transplant from like Naperville or wherever.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If you're well off and move into a poor neighborhood, nearby landlords will see that they can probably charge more, and displace the people who already live there.

    If you abandon the city in a racial panic, landlords in the city will stop bothering to maintain their units because only unimportant non-white people live there.

    If only there was a common culprit in these two situations.

  • HexbearGPT [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    People who blame whites instead of banks and government policy for gentrification are morons who don’t understand how the system works.

    • BowlingForDeez [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Individual consumer choices are the only thing that drives the economy. Nothing else, nothing systemic. Don't look at the system, it's the fault of fellow workers that you are poor.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      There is an ideological community that overlaps with Ethnic Europeans, fueling the theory of white supremacy as a state of nature.

      White landlords enjoy a privileged position through this ideology and replicate it from generation to generation. So the capitalist hierarchy is defended by a plethora of "aspiring millionaires" who believe they can join the ranks of White Landlord.

      Similar natural supremacist ideologies exist in other ethnic enclaves (Taiwanese and Indian expats have this shit particularly bad). But white people being the active governing majority get to stack the deck in their own favor.

      So when you hear Leftists and other radicals talk about the problem of white people, what they're ultimately describing is a self-perpetuating ethnically homogenous block of aspiring capitalists who happen to be white. If you were in Sri Lanka or Japan or Nigeria, the ethnic composition would be different but the problems would remain the same.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        So when you hear Leftists and other radicals talk about the problem of white people

        Seems better to point at landlords, banks, policies, and other systemic factors, then give this context as necessary. Using "the problem of white people" as shorthand is sloppy and plays right into reactionary grievance politics.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          Seems better to point at landlords, banks, policies, and other systemic factors

          Sure. But they're not operating independently of a popular movement defending their behavior. The system is necessarily a product of the working people. Landlords and bankers are just the most notable beneficiaries.

          Using “the problem of white people” as shorthand is sloppy and plays right into reactionary grievance politics.

          Describing the ideology of "whiteness" is a necessary part of confronting it. Reactionaries have a glib response to everything, and you're just as likely going to find a Black Isrealite pouncing on you for ignoring whiteness as you are a Ben Shapiro type lampooning you for acknowledging it.

          Its helpful to recognize white supremacy as an ideology, rather than a state of nature. But there's nothing to be gained by pretending it doesn't exist as a rhetorical strategy.

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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    2 years ago

    And when they move out to the country? Well then you've got yourself settler-colonialism :cracker:

  • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    It's more like white flight was a specific moment in history as much as it is a continuing phenomenon and, likewise, gentrification is a more recent moment in history but has forerunners further back. They're not exactly isolated and opposing one another. Gentrification isn't post-white-flight people moving back to the conditions for which they (or the parents/grandparents) left. It's getting rid of the former areas that were used as a reason for white flight. Tearing them down and remaking them into white-friendly areas. Because land value decreased enough and suburbs/rural areas became expensive enough to do that. It's still a form of white flight except instead of white people moving out, they just bulldoze everything and turn it into 5-over-1s.

    The cities were forced into the mode that triggered white flight by industrial culture and cities are forced into gentrification because of post-industrial forces. Industry needed a large pool of cheap labor at the center of major trade routes, hence cities and urbanization. Then that triggered the development of suburbs by land developers because the nobles got to live in sky scrapers and the bourgeois didn't want to live on the ground with the poors. Hence the racism part because race and wealth intersect. Then industry peaked and started to be exported to the global south. Industrial centers shut down. Now you have massive amounts of cheaper land poor people that are the result of generations of racism and exclusion. It's easy to just invest in these areas and by invest I mean develop expensive real estate and who buys that?