• memory_adept [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    Dark souls doesn't require any spreadsheeting if you know the core mechanics you can beat it with a shit build sorry to be annoying but comparing everything to a fighting game with rpg mechanics that gradually change weapon damage by like 4% to get over the threshold from 3 to 4 hit kill or some combo of specials and regulars thereof kinda irks me

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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      7 months ago

      <insert paradox game here> doesn't require any spreadsheeting if you know the core mechanics you can beat it with a shit build sorry to be annoying

      • memory_adept [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        but those core mechanics are just tweaking your state stats right?

          • memory_adept [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            I mean the visual novel part combined with that sounds liek a fun enough intersection of game mechanics to add depth

            • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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              7 months ago

              Like I said it depends. CK series could be concidered more 'choose your own adventure' visual novel + other stuff on an increasingly growing - or shrinking - strategic level, whereas HOI series could be considered a pseudo-RTS but on a strategic level, whereas Victoria series could be considered a sort of city-builder sort of game but also on a strategic level

    • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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      7 months ago

      Thats description is how paradox games work. you stack modifiers of +2 gold +0.1% growth +20% combat eficiency +2attack, etc. Some of those are given randomly so you savescum so the rng gives you the modifier you want.

      • memory_adept [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        It's just like weird to me because it sounds like roguelike esque mechanics in a world map instead of a dungeon

        • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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          7 months ago

          8Thats because its cheap to implement and adjust such mechanics. When they are selling a new dlc every other week, they cant follow a simulation aproach. So they put together a script with a bunch of events that give random modifiers.

          But even back then when they tried a bit, there were still lots of such modifiers and events. Its just that they were hidden or made sense in world. Now its all just hoarding abstract types of mana and casting the modifiers.

          That being said making a simulation is incredibly hard. Back then chris king even build his world around marxist materialist ideas(he gave a presentation on this once) but it produced wierd bugs, liquidity crises, general gluts, etc were very common. The economy would often run out of coal and iron mid 19th century, and so on. Nobody could tell why things that worked worked or viceversa. It was somewhat fixed by balancing the coeficients, adding events and adding infinite dumps of resources and infinite workspace in provinces, so the company does not wamt to get into that mess again. Even then a lot of the game was stacking moddifiers but it was more subtle and somtimes counter intuitive.

          At the end of the day you have your equations regulating how the game works, and there are several coeficients that balnce and adjust them, changing those coeficients is the easy way to change the outcomes.

          • memory_adept [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            menu games and map games interest me because hypothetically they could have deep mechanics like some dwarf fortress shit but yeah i can see some appeal of what they end up being ig, it's like people keep rerolling until they finally get pure himmler world with the weird mods, not for me personally,

            • Formerlyfarman [none/use name]
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              7 months ago

              On the one hand its cheper to program the rolls than a deep mechanic. On the other rolling the dice is increadibly addictive.

              So their bussines model is to sell a new type of dice every month and milk the nerds.

              Even if you are a pirate like me the constant updates makes it imposible to play strategically. But its very profitable.