That his ideas drew inspiration from Hegel but that he was also critical of him. Perhaps that he was "engaged in a critical dialogue with Hegel’s thinking" or that some of his ideas "would not have been possible without the opening of the Hegelian questions."
It's almost like philosophers can engage with the ideas of other philosophers without accepting their political conclusions. Almost as if philosophers frequently engage with ideas that they disagree with in order to critique them.
Taking a Nazi's self-mythology at face value and claiming its construction by said Nazi somehow undermines Nazism is not critical dialogue, and you comparing that idealist drivel to the rigor Marx applied to Hegel is ridiculous
I'm not calling Derrida a nazi, I'm calling him an idealist who can't even competently critique Nazism without sinking into unsupportable assumptions about a Nazi's headspace
I’m not calling Derrida a nazi, I’m calling him an idealist who can’t even competently critique Nazism without sinking into unsupportable assumptions about a Nazi’s headspace
Lmao, now you're saying that. We started out at "rehabilitated Nazis" then progressed to "'rehabilitated' Nazis (technically, for certain definitions of rehabilitate)" and now we've arrived at "critiqued Nazis, but not well enough." If you opened with "Derrida's critique of Nazis was insufficient" then this conversation wouldn't be happening.
Before I got to his incompetent critique I had to sit thru paragraph after paragraph of this mf gushing over Heidegger's methodology and mode of analysis, you gonna pretend Heidegger wasn't one of the biggest influences on Derrida or that he didn't advise his students to read and take seriously this washed up "former" Nazi.....goddamn right I used rehabilitation, and I'll use it again
The Farías debate
Jacques Derrida, Philippe Lacoue-Labarthe, and Jean-François Lyotard, among others, all engaged in debate and disagreement about the relation between Heidegger's philosophy and his Nazi politics. These debates included the question of whether it was possible to do without Heidegger's philosophy a position which Derrida in particular rejected Forums where these debates took place include the proceedings of the first conference dedicated to Derrida's work, published as "Les Fins de l'homme à partir du travail de Jacques Derrida: colloque de Cerisy, 23 juillet-2 août 1980", Derrida's "Feu la cendre/cio' che resta del fuoco", and the studies on Paul Celan by Lacoue-Labarthe and Derrida which shortly preceded the detailed studies of Heidegger's politics published in and after 1987.
I mean at least be honest and admit you think Heidegger is an indispensable resource, Derrida certainly did
And if you do think he's indispensable and valuable, why? Contrary to what Derrida claims, it certainly wasn't his takes on his "former" Nazism or weirdly enough these out of nowhere takes on animals
Like I said, you just have an axe to grind and this is a waste of time. I don't "think Heidegger is an indispensable resource," because I'm not so much defending Derrida as I'm just calling out your dogshit, uninformed arguments that border on anti-intellectualism. But since your increasingly desperate attempts to find something to latch on to have now led you to start attacking me, I'm disengaging, and any further responses will be met with PPB. Tbh I should've started with that and moved on instead of wasting my time with this nonsense.
Marx literally called himself a Hegelian, I'm dying to know what you'll come up with next :data-laughing:
Ok, I don't disagree with that? But what exactly do you think Marx meant when he "stood Hegel on his head"?
That his ideas drew inspiration from Hegel but that he was also critical of him. Perhaps that he was "engaged in a critical dialogue with Hegel’s thinking" or that some of his ideas "would not have been possible without the opening of the Hegelian questions."
It's almost like philosophers can engage with the ideas of other philosophers without accepting their political conclusions. Almost as if philosophers frequently engage with ideas that they disagree with in order to critique them.
Taking a Nazi's self-mythology at face value and claiming its construction by said Nazi somehow undermines Nazism is not critical dialogue, and you comparing that idealist drivel to the rigor Marx applied to Hegel is ridiculous
I'm not calling Derrida a nazi, I'm calling him an idealist who can't even competently critique Nazism without sinking into unsupportable assumptions about a Nazi's headspace
Lmao, now you're saying that. We started out at "rehabilitated Nazis" then progressed to "'rehabilitated' Nazis (technically, for certain definitions of rehabilitate)" and now we've arrived at "critiqued Nazis, but not well enough." If you opened with "Derrida's critique of Nazis was insufficient" then this conversation wouldn't be happening.
Before I got to his incompetent critique I had to sit thru paragraph after paragraph of this mf gushing over Heidegger's methodology and mode of analysis, you gonna pretend Heidegger wasn't one of the biggest influences on Derrida or that he didn't advise his students to read and take seriously this washed up "former" Nazi.....goddamn right I used rehabilitation, and I'll use it again
I mean at least be honest and admit you think Heidegger is an indispensable resource, Derrida certainly did
And if you do think he's indispensable and valuable, why? Contrary to what Derrida claims, it certainly wasn't his takes on his "former" Nazism or weirdly enough these out of nowhere takes on animals
I literally just countered this exact point.
Like I said, you just have an axe to grind and this is a waste of time. I don't "think Heidegger is an indispensable resource," because I'm not so much defending Derrida as I'm just calling out your dogshit, uninformed arguments that border on anti-intellectualism. But since your increasingly desperate attempts to find something to latch on to have now led you to start attacking me, I'm disengaging, and any further responses will be met with PPB. Tbh I should've started with that and moved on instead of wasting my time with this nonsense.