Okay, so background: I'm your average pro-gun fuck-the-police, fuck-trump zoomer honed by years of unsupervised internet access and I've just discovered this community and started lurking for a while. But I still hold extremely negative views on China, which I still think are justified.

"Which views?" I'll throw them out real quick: child labor! internet censorship! media censorship! anti-LGBTQ! uygher genocide? positive and pro war relations with russia! (because fuck putin)

So I get really confused anytime I see people expressing pro-China sentiments. Have I been spoonfed by the media or are some of these points actually justified?

  • AHopeOnceMore [he/him]B
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    2 years ago

    Yes, absolutely. And we should also remember that China, as a whole country, has highly sophisticated debates and decision-makers with power, so not only are these decisions where abuse could and did occur, but every policy is implemented knowing that there ia not full controp or safeguards, that they are working with the resources they have and are making difficult decisions that rely on the overall structures and material forces they have curated for decades.

    It is not human nature to abuse, but we also do not have the conditions in which we don't create abuses or situations where abuse can occur. That is a goal we can all aspire to relative to our own communities and the power structures we foster or undermine or destroy. And it's one where we should have open minds on alternative paths and mechanisms of control, as we are often limited by the guardrails of the liberal carceral state, white supremacy, and settler logic. China's approach to Xinjiang shows one particular strategy, one that we do not regularly see in the West, and with its own cultural embeddings, advantages, and disadvantages. We tend to just kill and imprison and depower targets, marginalize them and propagandize until the populace thinks they deserve it. Leaving plenty of room for criticism and hope for better alternatives in the future, the approach in China is so much less harmful and measured, my main takeaway is, "thank fuck they didn't have the American approach".