Well, regardless of what you think of their politics, that's a huge loss for a country with the position Iran is in right now. I hope they manage to keep calm and prevent foreign shit starting.
It's mind boggling to me that lemmygrad is the only place I've yet seen anyone show some sort of respect for a world leader dying in a violent accident. Everywhere in the media and online all I'm seeing is people glad he's dead. As if he's ever done anything to any of us to deserve that.
There's a pretty long list of other world leaders who if they went out violently like this, I'd be all ripbozo smoking on the prez pack. Unfortunately, Raeisi is not one of them.
I likewise wouldn't be too fussed over most other world leaders going out in a similar fashion, for sure. But not for ones that actually happen to be on the right side of history.
Wasn't he pretty involved in the suppression of women? All I've read is that he generally wasn't well liked by any group of the citizenry of Iran
I can understand people feeling concern for Iran's people and trajectory during a tumultuous time like this, but I don't think anyone should feel bad he's gone. He wasn't a good person
That an interesting way of looking at it. If you can find any purity argument for why a politician wasn't progressive (he wasn't btw) then it's a good thing for them to just go up in a fireball. Politics by process of elimination! Say, Yemenis invited Jackson Hinkle to a Zoom conference. Maybe they should go die, too, because they're more backward than you and the removeds got to them first! Hell, my favorite Burkina Faso reporting account randomly veers into Christian grimposting about gay people (me).
Just ignore all context for why people are nervous about this in the first place (Iran is playing a critical role in breaking the illusion of US hegemony and this could even be a pointless assassination)! Woo hoo! Billionaire down!
It's not like this is going to make the political situation better in Iran if you view it that way. Now he will be memorialized for dying in the midst of a great struggle.
You may be misreading my post, I'm not celebrating his death, only questioning why leftists are seemingly mourning his death outside of the impacts it could have to Iran
My point was seeing it as something like the death of Putin on a smaller scale: aware it will cause internal and external political ripples which could be bad for the people but not someone we should be mourning
Go ahead and find any other president out there who has firmly spoken out against the Zionist entity like he has and shown as much support for the Palestinians, and who have actually executed military strikes against the occupier towards that end. That alone is respectable enough to make any sensible person feel bad to see him go.
I can understand that, but I'd be surprised to see an Iranian president who didn't speak out against the entity
He didn't do jack. He was a machine politician sock puppet, anything Iran did came from others, like generals, the political party, and Khamenei
Maybe, before I just read it like you were taking everyone reflecting on the timing of this and Iran's unusual place as a reactionary govt put in a broadly progressive position in the international struggle, especially the decolonization of Palestine, as making a knee jerk reactions here. Especially with the way you're casually feeling out how amenable this chat is going to be to Iran regime change posting today. (Genocide's still going, try again later.)
I would imagine people are disturbed by this because he was a man who many see as an ally in the Palestinian struggle for decolonization even if they disagree with him on hundreds if not thousands of points which would be deemed heretical in Iran.
People are mourning? I haven't seen it; even on Hexbear it's more of a shrug and "no helicopter" jokes
I'm not mourning his death so I cannot answer your question, sorry
Why did you mourn Matt Christman when he never did anything other than do drugs and rant on podcasts? Not to echo the contemptible Drew Pavlou...
🤔 Well until I check that he is neither alive nor dead in superposition
All I've read is that he generally wasn't well liked by any group of the citizenry of Iran
I don't know where you've read that but i think you're about to find out that that was a lie when you see the size of the crowds that will come out to mourn him.
Edit: And as i predicted: "Millions of Iranians rallied across the country to pay their final respects to the late President Raisi."
It was pretty recently after the crash so I'm willing to believe it could be sensationalism
I just want you to take a look at who else is happy that these people have died and consider if that is the same side that you want to be on.
The crowd? You mean the conservative basijis? Literally everyone I have been interacting with has been happy
Or some people are mourning the other dudes that died, because it wasn't just Raisi, the councilman of east Azerbaijan province also died amongst others
I just don't understand what there is to be happy about. Who exactly are these people that you "have been interacting with" and what do they think that this will achieve?
This won't achieve anything, but people generally disliked him and so are happy he's gone
I'm personally happy I don't have to endure the rest of his term and a possible second term (although very unlikely), he was useless at best and had bad policy at worst
Thing is, being martyred in the line of duty tends to increase public sympathy for a figure. So even if you didn't like him, you don't objectively stand to gain anything from a tragedy like this. Whatever he may have done wrong will now be overshadowed. The pertinent question now is, do you believe that his successor will be more to your liking or less?
And regardless what you think of him or his party, any destabilization is risky at a time when a country is at war, and Iran frankly is at war and has been since the Islamic revolution. It may not always be openly declared but hybrid economic war and war waged through terrorist proxies is still war.
I understand that he may not have been the most impressive figure or had the best policies, but when enemies of Iran are openly celebrating you just need to ask yourself why that is and whether you want to find yourself on that same side.
Personally i'm not Iranian so i didn't have any emotional attachment to these people one way or another, but i just find it distasteful for a leftist to be happy over the death of major political figures in an anti-imperialist government.
He was just a political front man for his party. I would be genuinely shocked if any of Iran's policies came from him.
You want to know where Iran's policies come from? Their party, the generals, Khamenei and the Sepah (IRGC).
Raisi dying is a nothingburger. If Rouhani had died, that would be huge news. If Khamenei dies, we will have a huge upheaval.
He was just a political front man for his party. [...] Raisi dying is a nothingburger.
In that case there is no reason to be happy since his death is so inconsequential, yes?
Now obviously not everyone agrees with this. A lot of Iranians and people from other countries (those friendly to Iran at least) who have interacted with the former president (or his FM who also passed away) appear to have a different view than you, or at least that's what they say in public.
But one thing that i hope we can agree on is that what matters now is that the country has a smooth transition into the next administration with as little opportunity as possible for the enemies of Iran to interfere with the election process or to create chaos and unrest. And i hope that the state apparatus is prepared to fend off the hybrid attacks that will undoubtedly come during this transition period, since i am certain that the CIA has already put plans into motion to cause mischief as soon as the news broke.
I don't see any reason why Qassam soleimani would be more liked than Raeisi.
I think a similar sized crowd will be show up
Interesting string of coincidences with a plot on Vucic, attempt on Fico, and now this.
I didn't want to put on my tinfoil hat and go all conspiracy theory on this but I was thinking the same
Vučić could go honestly ASAP... They also faked ''assassination'' attempts on him multiple times in media over the years to the point where it became a meme, examples include: alleged plan to snipe him where they put a cut photo of him visiting weapon exhibition, other one to allegedly blow him up with a rocket launcher, grenade launcher, mine etc etc.
You know scratch-that, just oof the entire Balkan political scene, this is 9th circle of hell.
This hurts. I really wish the best for the iranian people. Even through this tough times, I hope they can come stronger from this.
The main purpose of a helicopter is to kill people.
Flying is a secondary feature.
Rip Kobe
R.I.P.
Is the cause known yet? Because if someone form foreign country caused this, there could be unseen consequences.
State media hasn't implied anything. I'm sure they'll investigate. But helicopters crashing in terrible weather conditions isn't unusual. I'd put my money on accident unless some compelling evidence is forthcoming.
It's plausible that this was perpetrated by a foreign entity or even an internal struggle for power, and that the Iranian state knows. It is plausible that the state would still not make this information public. The state and its allies (Syria) has a history of concealing information on this scale, because publicizing this information may make the state look weak, or have the people demanding a military response, which may be unnecessary escalation.
How does this affect Iran's position against the Empire? I admittedly know little of it's internal politics and I assume Raeisi isn't the strongman glue keeping the anti imperial alignment in working order like Putin, and Iran will still be able to overcome this with comparatively little internal strife to other anti imperialist nations. Such a dumb fucking way to go in a critical time, rest in peace.
I doubt it will, beyond sparking anger depending on the results of the investigation; AFAICT most people in Iran are anti-imperialist, and Khamenei is still there (although I'm not well informed on the extent of his political power)
I'm not well informed either, but every Western media outlet has suddenly decided to condemn Raeisi as "the executioner of the regime", "the butcher of Tehran" etc. Meanwhile, they've started pushing the narrative that in the upcoming elections to replace him, the current regime will collapse and "democratic forces" will prevail, because of the protests that were going on a while ago.
This tells me three things:
a) Raeisi might or might not have been a decent guy, but he was most likely quite popular.
b) The current Iranian government will come out of this crisis just fine.
c) The West will be trying to incite another color revolution in Iran in the coming weeks/months.
In case you are interested, Ben Norton has a good video on Raeisi's anti imperialists and anti colonialists policies. I added the video here https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/4300675
Raisi was one of the people who executed leftists en masse during the leftist crackdown fiasco. Hardly anyone you should give a fuck about
not good. how do we feel about fellow 'communists' or 'leftists' celebrating this?
they likely don't understand the concept of critical support and/or have a prejudice against Iran based on Western bourgeois media
like any capitalist country outside of the imperial core, Iran has plenty of internal contradictions, but it's still one of the main bulwarks against imperialism in the region
Very weird to celebrate
I'm no fan of current Iranian governance, or even Hamas. I understand why they exist, but I wouldn't choose to live under their governments. That doesn't mean I want their leaders dying since I can see their importance to resisting US imperialism.
I would say this is like disagreeing with how China has developed since their revolution. Am I a huge fan of all of it? Of course not. That doesn't mean I would celebrate Xi dying or China dissolving it's communist party. Not to compare them to Iran too much, obviously very different things, but western "leftists" (they're liberals really most of the time) see them as "bad guys" with zero nuance or perspective. Important perspective such as no matter how authoritarian Iran is or brutal to its citizens (and i have no doubt that many stories have core truths to them. The stories we read about life there) will ever compare to the brutality the US empire has unleashed on places like Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, Iran (hmm), entirety of South America, Mexico, etc. basically the entire globe. So, are they bad in some ways? Undoubtedly. But the bigger bad, that they resist, is the US military and empire. And this can't be forgotten. You don't have to praise Iran's government in order to see that it is the lesser evil compared to the US and also it only exists because of the US and now Israeli interference in the region.
And this lesser evil is ACTUALLY a a significantly less evil thing than the US, unlike how crakkker Demo-rats try to portray Biden as some kind of lesser evil over Trump although he's not.
I have no sympathy for fellow "communists" and "leftists" who break ranks on the anti-imperialist front, personally. I could understand some satisfaction if they'd personally suffered under the present government- but even then, celebrating is a step too far and would make them compradors.
I'm Iranian and I'm celebrating this
He was a useless sack of shit conservative who nobody really cared about, even the hardcore right wingers weren't too fond of him
I wonder if you would had said the same thing for Henry Kissinger or any blood thirsty amerikkkan president.
Unfortunately, those only seem to die from natural causes after living unbearably long lives (save for one or two).
Curiously, they can ride as many helicopter rides and never suffer any "accidents" unlike the politicians from unaligned countries with the empire.
Sometimes I wonder if god really loves these scum so much on the expense of the rest of the global south.
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Westoid leaders ride on the cream of the crop aircrafts maintained by blood and sweat of millions of working classes people and billions of exploited global South citizens. Of course they have better quality and less likely to encounter problems. However the tendency to cutting maintenance and decrease parts availability to drive up profit will catch up to them eventually. Blinken already had to delay his tour this year multiple times due to maintenance issues.
However the tendency to cutting maintenance and decrease parts availability to drive up profit will catch up to them eventually.
https://apnews.com/article/military-helicopters-crashes-ca1fd876ca7908a35aef224b8cae4f1a
The collision of two helicopters in Alaska was the latest in a series of military helicopter crashes this year whose causes are still being investigated.
The crashes and a rollover involved Black Hawk and Apache helicopters on training missions. A total of 14 soldiers have died and three have been injured.
You don't say?
*Diaspora in LA are celebrating. I don't think I've seen any celebrations coming out of Iran
Look, I'm with you on that, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend, you know?
I know literally nothing about this guy so I'm not sure what the proper position is.
Geopolitical Economy report have a good video about him that this youtuber cooked recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzPKOhHcnvc
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
