I'm not talking about queer people getting called groomers. I know why that's happening. I'm referring more to a more general fear of pedophilia instead of just repackaged homophobia.

I feel like I'm hearing about it like every other week. For instance, parent bloggers noticing that their engagement skyrockets when they post their kids eating hotdogs or in swimwear. Another example is an increasing trend of people on Pinterest creating walls and albums labelled "hot kids."

I know that elite freaks are all pedos, but is pedophilia an actually growing problem among regular people? It seems to me like when suburbanites freak out about any other thing like BLM or immigrants marching through and razing their communities. Or the crime freakout in the 70s/80s.

Am I being naive and we actually need to be on high alert?

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    I'm possibly very wrong about this, but this is an angle I haven't heard yet. I first noticed the pedophila moral panic emerging at around the same time there was increased mainstream discourse into consent and feminism. Somewhere between 2005 and 2015, that timeframe. A lot of it was reemerging feminist discourse that had been going on since the 1970s though. That's around when a lot of folk might have heard "rape culture" for the first time. It's when there was a lot more media criticism about depictions of women. There was a lot of discourse in that time too about sexualizing minors, but from a more sensible angle, not these bizarre child kidnapping conspiracy theories.

    A lot of what American conservative paranoia does is latch onto ambient feelings to twist them, re-normalize them to better serve standard American bigotry. In this case I think white suburban ideology latched onto the ambient growing concerns about consent, boundaries, women's empowerment, all of that, and did trial and error twisting it until landing on something indefensible: Pedophiles. Surely pedophiles don't respect consent. They're the worst type of person imaginable, and they tap into that growing discourse. But instead of the discourse focusing on anything liberatory, or talking about patriarchy, or white supremacy, it became a way for conservative ideology to express ownership over children. It's repackaged queerphobia too, like you said.

    It has to be connected to conservative ideology worried about children too. Each of the moral panics in previous decades centered around the autonomy of young people set upon by some social shift.

    The 60s hippies were kids who rejected things like the Vietnam draft, or rejected the suburbanization they were destined to be a part of. The 80s were a reaction to more women entering the workforce, relegating childcare to daycares or babysitters. You'll notice that was reflected in the media too. So many of 80s horror movies are about children left alone in their suburban home while the middle class parents are out, while a working class coded murderer stalks the neighborhood with a big knife. There was a general panic about children being unaccompanied or being left with strangers. The Satanic Panic was a panic over what might be going on in daycares, now that more women were workers instead of rearing children all day.

    And now in the 20s, more children are expressing autonomy through the internet. You can't control who your kid is in contact with anymore or what they're reading. But who knows where that leads, so the panic is all about brainwashing or secret cults or scary people in masks who will kidnap your kids in the Wal-Mart parking lot.

    • Wheaties [she/her]
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      And now in the 20s, more children are expressing autonomy through the internet. You can’t control who your kid is in contact with anymore or what they’re reading.

      It's interesting that the way conservatives have latched onto this is by trying to dismantle libraries and public education. Like, phones seem like a much more obvious and direct "vector" for the Spooky Satanic Leftist Agenda or whatever, and yet they refuse to acknowledge it. Funny, considering how much those same groups of people like to complain about this and that new-fanged whatever.

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Well it's important to recognize that the conservatives are just as addicted to social media as everyone else is. They can target TikTok for a ban because kids are the only ones using it - but the only legislation they might ever force onto Facebook will be to force them to unban everyone who got banned for racial slurs.

    • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      I think understanding it in terms of reaction is helpful. If I understand it correctly, these panics seem illegitimate and a reaction to social progress.

      The new social progress causing reaction, according to you, is children having autonomy in online spaces.

      How do you square this with other opinions in the thread that argue there are legitimate concerns about groomers organizing in places like discord and tiktok? Do you think it's moving out of the realm of pure reaction?

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        Oh, there are real pedophiles on the internet, yeah. I don't mean to say it's just parents being strict with their kids. It's a legitimate concern, but I don't really have the expertise to say how legitimate or widespread it is. I do think a lot of the paranoia around pedohpiles does have to do with kids figuring out new ways to express themselves, find online communities, or interact with social media in a way that's very alienating to their parents. But then...

        A random thought I'm having is that a lot of pedo men seem to think their decades of living without consequence will extend to an online space as well. They think it's just like the office where they hit on their employee's daughter, then get away with it. Except now there are records, time stamps, pictures, people's full names. Justin Roiland for instance was caught being a pedo using his main Facebook account listed under his real name with a picture of his face. It's absurd how little planning these groomers put into this. Maybe that's why there's more reasonable discourse about pedophiles now? There's simply more evidence of it now. It's hard to dispute pictures, chat logs, etc.

        And the conservative pedophilia panic is absolutely reaction, since they're taking the feelings about the real threat of online groomers and instead focusing on teachers and fictional kidnapping gangs who want to steal white children.Every reactionary movement has to at least gesture in the direction of something that's real or something that people feel is real, then it's used to suppress social progress.

        Also I've also never heard reactionaries mention the very widespread, very real issue of undocumented children getting wound up in prostitution, which is a huge part of human trafficking