N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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    6 months ago

    misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed

    Structural misandry doesn't exist, but "misandry isn't real" is not something I'd agree with. It exists on an individual level. It's just not a real systemic issue.

    • mkultrawide [any]
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      6 months ago

      There's definitely cases of structural misandry, it's just not as nearly as common as structural misogyny. There are fields of work where men are definitely discriminated against/less preferred. Divorce/child custody is historically slanted towards women, although that's downstream of historical misogynistic forces (women having trouble with employment, pay equity, etc) and it's become more equitable. I think you could make the argument that combat military service in some countries being restricted solely to men is a form of structural misandry.

      Just to reiterate, I am not trying to do gender wars. I am gender Switzerland.

      • AutomatedPossum [she/her]
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        6 months ago

        When you have a clear opressor side and a clear opressed side, you do not bothsides things, that's literally all lives matter tier shit. The points you are making are key talking points of manosphere chuds arguing against feminism, and that kind of shit is coming up on here over and over again, not only by one day old accounts, but by people who've been posting here for ages.

        It would be fucking ridiculous how open to antifeminist, misogynist reasoning hexbear is if it wasn't so obnoxiously common even in leftist spaces. Don't be surprised when women are "misandrist", never trusting a man is a normal, necessary survival instinct for us.

          • mkultrawide [any]
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            6 months ago

            I paraphrased things bell hooks was writing about 20-30 years ago in Feminism is for Everybody and The Will to Change...

    • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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      6 months ago

      Idk to me it still makes more sense to frame it in the context of feminism internalized misogyny

      it really seems my tomboy wife who was influenced by her dad to be a boy because he wanted a boy and thus she inititially hated women (they treated her badly growing up, continued to hate them and uhh say weird stuff like women are inherently manipulative when she is moreso really headstrong and act before you think) and when she hated men it wasn't for stuff you could not explain by sayinf they were chuds or cruddy.

      Where as with most hatred towards women does seem to be poorly explained without the conception of a patriarchy or as women being considered or once considered property of men.

      • Gay_Tomato [they/them, it/its]
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        6 months ago

        But you already called it what it is: gender essentalism. There is nothing the word misandry does that is useful that isn't covered by essentalism.