as an aside in the latest Trillbillies episode Terrence said that we need degrowth communism and it got me wondering what that means to everyone. to hopefully stifle any silly debates i'll clarify that i'm talking about the West, not underdeveloped/overexploited nations in the Global South.

an end to oil drilling, gas extraction, and coal mining will obviously be necessary to stop climate change. how much modern technology can we replicate without relying on those things or other ecologically violent resource extraction? what does an agriculture system that doesn't rely on petrochem-derived fertilizers and herbicides look like? how do we repair the immense damage that's already been done?

i'd really appreciate some book recommendations on this topic as well as everyone's thoughts

  • HexBroke [any, comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    You would still have industry, just not wholly reliant on fossil fuels and perpetual growth. And you'd need considerably more industry at first

    • radiofreeval [any]
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      1 month ago

      That's my concern. Industry, even when electricity is clean, generates a ton of carbon.

      • HexBroke [any, comrade/them]
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        1 month ago

        This is a diagram of current US manufacturing production emissions

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        Just addressing combustion would radically reduce industrial carbon output without needing to address carbon capture for cement or green hydrogen for steel

        • radiofreeval [any]
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          1 month ago

          Jesus, I thought steel and concrete were significantly worse than they are. That is a really good graph. What is most chemical production for?

          • HexBroke [any, comrade/them]
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            1 month ago

            Ammonia and methanol (ammonia is like, half of non-combustion emissions even though we can readily produce 'green' ammonia)