I talked to my boss when I first got hired about being pregnant and doing my job. It was a very physical job with long hours and could be quite dirty, but many women did it pregnant. He agreed with me that pregnancy was no hindurance to the job. For over a year I talked about becoming pregnant and he assured me it was okay. On the day I was supposed to fly out to meet the parents, he informed me that he would let me go if I went. I had my shift covered, everything was in line. I was dumb founded when he said that if I thought he was going to let me work there pregnant I was wrong. All that time he had been fine with it. So I prodded, trying to find out what changed his mind. His wife even did the same job while she was pregnant with their son! His response was "but she didn't sell the baby." He wouldn't let me explain, talk to him, or show him why he was wrong. He just told me to leave. I loved working there until that day and no amount of money could have brought me back after that. Selling my baby?? So far from the truth!
Based leftist boss fighting against human trafficking?? :so-true:
I mean, I gotta admit, like if someone's boss found out they were involved in selling children off to Little St. James and fired them, and I doubt anyone would fault them for it. And based on the thread we had the other day, it seems like a lot of this site believes that surrogacy is "literally buying babies" or equivalent to Murray Rothbard's "free market for infants" - or at least, a bunch of you think that's a reasonable position to have. So I'm curious if any of the 50 or so people who upbeared that thread see any problem with that boss's decision to fire his pregant worker for, as you would agree, "selling her baby." I'm curious to know if you'd make the same decision in his shoes, and if you see any problem with that situation - other than of course, that he couldn't hand her over to the cops as well.
I guess I'm just trying to better understand your positions. Like, is this something that you actually believe, or is it a superficial, exaggerated rhetorical flourish that you know is bullshit but use anyway because it provides a pretext for infringing on women's rights? You know, like "abortion is murder?"
I also wouldn't mind hearing from some centrists and moderates on the issue. Those who think both sides have a point, between, "Surrogate mothers are engaging in human trafficking by returning a child to their biological parent," and, "Surrogate mothers have a right to bodily autonomy." Is there one side that you think is more reasonable, or are you a true centrist, right in the middle of those two, equally extreme positions?
While I'm at it, I'd also like to open up the discussion more broadly. Is there anything else women's bodies do that you think is immoral, or maybe just plain gross? Anything else you think ought to be illegal? I'm really looking to hear from some men here, because I feel like we never get their perspective on that.
Anti-surrogacy is just anti-choice for anti-natalists.
The anti-surrogacy critique for the sake of power differentials between surrogate and client(?) is very similar imo to the critique of polyamory/relationships-with-large-age-gaps/intra-org relationships I see here occasionally, again also for the sake of the potential power differentials between participants. They’re not wrong in those specific - but also all too common - circumstances, but they’re also not the whole truth of the situation and can be taken as blanket criticism of the practice which they shouldn’t be. And if you are trying to blanket write off really any practice that comes down to an issue of bodily autonomy fuck off you tosser. Go do some self-crit and come back
Like you could make the exact same arguments about blood donations but I don’t see anyone rushing to end the practice. Hopefully just to make it more equitable if anything
Yeah I'm a Jehovah's Witness (Hexbear branch), why do you ask?
speaking to some yankee friends, fuck i wish i could get paid to donate blood like they do
that could get me enough cash to not have to pick between power and food lol and i make that shit for free
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My parents are 12 years apart in age and doing fine 30 years later. I’m not saying there aren’t creeps, just that this site has the nuance of a particularly mouthy high schooler
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Ok? Thanks for your addition. How does 25 and 37 sound? Please let me know your opinion without any context or knowledge of the individuals involved at all. It makes it more pure as a ““Marxist”” endeavor ya know?
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I have a whole thing written out but in my heart you’re a smol bean leftist and the important thing to learn here is that the critique needs to more keenly focus in on the mechanism of oppression rather than the social marker around that node of oppression because, tho they can be highly correlated, they are not 1:1. I mean shit this critique is completely devoid of materialism
Like, how do older men exploit younger women? It isn’t just because they have grey in their beards. There’s an entire material infrastructure they contribute to and take advantage of. Two relationships that look the same on paper can act completely differently
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