Everyone arguing you is missing the point. The Soviet Union used “utopian shit” alongside actual class warfare.
Absolutely no talk of "utopian shit" until a perfect class warfare scenario is going on. That'll definitely recruit people sitting on the fence! :trot-shining:
And when it comes to online discourse, especially the insufferable terminally online discourse that makes up most of this site and twitter, it’s even more ineffectual. People’s brains are well-trained to take bad news and “solutions” in stride, then go right back to their life. That potential has been largely expended or captured by the culture industry.
On the other hand, shitting on those people to feel superior to them then going right back to your life is cool and good and praxis. :morshupls:
The point is that none of this is praxis, and if it isn't directly translating into praxis we need to reassess our strategy and involvement with it. We're pointing out that the "leaves" of ideals and concepts are nothing without the "roots" of interaction with the material, that we can't assume there's necessarily an exchange/dialectic going on between the two. Because the vast majority of it is leaves with no roots, as evinced by the powerlessness and ineffectiveness of the Western left, and even moreso the online left.
If people want to engage with treats and slop as a way of blowing off steam that's whatever, but even leftism-flavored slop is still slop if it isn't resulting in material impacts in the real world. A small fraction of the posts on this site have potential to be useful because they're actually discussing theory or hashing out strategies or helping people self educate. But most of it is arguing about slop/drama or terminally online stuff with not nearly enough engagement with the real world.
I think the culture of this site has shifted a lot as the more active/radical people shifted focus to real world organizing, leaving a higher ratio of terminally online people. Or maybe it's just disproportionately impacted by people with the free time to post 100 comments a day.
Neither is what you're doing, making the difference that one may inspire some little bit of morale in people that still have hope that a better world is possible, and the other makes you as an individual looking down on them feel smarter and superior to them. :very-intelligent:
Or maybe it’s just disproportionately impacted by people with the free time to post 100 comments a day.
Any job that has time for people to post is not a real job :Haz:
The discussion MF started has some potential utility if it's a vehicle for critically analyzing our strategy and engagement with ideals/culture. Critical/strategic discussion in general. But yeah, other than that, it's still just slop.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but I doubt you specifically are capable of having this kind of critical discussion because you spend most of your time in defensive/offensive mode about some argument you can't get over. But it's not really unique to you, it's internet culture in general. Fixated on easy wins and dunks and excessively insecure about the possibility of being wrong. Seems like 80% of the userbase (or maybe just those that make 80% of the comments) is more interested in "winning" whatever discussion than anything.
Like, step back from our "conversation" for a moment and critically analyze your response. You're not actually engaging with anything that I said, you're just attempting to "gotcha" me with reddit-tier inline quotes. This sort of shit is a key part of why online discourse is so removed from material impact. It squanders the small amount of utility that might have been gained from such a discussion because you're making no effort to understand the essence of what is being communicated, instead fixating on whatever little parts you can nitpick. But that's par for the course tbh
but I doubt you specifically are capable of having this kind of critical discussion
You came here to shit on other people for not actively organizing on a leftist shitposting forum to your satisfaction, presumably to take time out of your day actively organizing just to shit on those aforementioned people.
because you spend most of your time in defensive/offensive mode about some argument you can’t get over
SELF AWARENESS 100
Like, step back from our “conversation”
Gladly. I hope some day you can do the same. :mao-wave:
I came here to discuss the fact that culture and posting doesn't seem to translate into the material world, and hopefully get a better understanding of why so we can do better. But some people can't stand to have their treats criticized so they reacted defensively
Absolutely no talk of "utopian shit" until a perfect class warfare scenario is going on. That'll definitely recruit people sitting on the fence! :trot-shining:
On the other hand, shitting on those people to feel superior to them then going right back to your life is cool and good and praxis. :morshupls:
The point is that none of this is praxis, and if it isn't directly translating into praxis we need to reassess our strategy and involvement with it. We're pointing out that the "leaves" of ideals and concepts are nothing without the "roots" of interaction with the material, that we can't assume there's necessarily an exchange/dialectic going on between the two. Because the vast majority of it is leaves with no roots, as evinced by the powerlessness and ineffectiveness of the Western left, and even moreso the online left.
If people want to engage with treats and slop as a way of blowing off steam that's whatever, but even leftism-flavored slop is still slop if it isn't resulting in material impacts in the real world. A small fraction of the posts on this site have potential to be useful because they're actually discussing theory or hashing out strategies or helping people self educate. But most of it is arguing about slop/drama or terminally online stuff with not nearly enough engagement with the real world.
I think the culture of this site has shifted a lot as the more active/radical people shifted focus to real world organizing, leaving a higher ratio of terminally online people. Or maybe it's just disproportionately impacted by people with the free time to post 100 comments a day.
Neither is what you're doing, making the difference that one may inspire some little bit of morale in people that still have hope that a better world is possible, and the other makes you as an individual looking down on them feel smarter and superior to them. :very-intelligent:
Any job that has time for people to post is not a real job :Haz:
The discussion MF started has some potential utility if it's a vehicle for critically analyzing our strategy and engagement with ideals/culture. Critical/strategic discussion in general. But yeah, other than that, it's still just slop.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but I doubt you specifically are capable of having this kind of critical discussion because you spend most of your time in defensive/offensive mode about some argument you can't get over. But it's not really unique to you, it's internet culture in general. Fixated on easy wins and dunks and excessively insecure about the possibility of being wrong. Seems like 80% of the userbase (or maybe just those that make 80% of the comments) is more interested in "winning" whatever discussion than anything.
Like, step back from our "conversation" for a moment and critically analyze your response. You're not actually engaging with anything that I said, you're just attempting to "gotcha" me with reddit-tier inline quotes. This sort of shit is a key part of why online discourse is so removed from material impact. It squanders the small amount of utility that might have been gained from such a discussion because you're making no effort to understand the essence of what is being communicated, instead fixating on whatever little parts you can nitpick. But that's par for the course tbh
You came here to shit on other people for not actively organizing on a leftist shitposting forum to your satisfaction, presumably to take time out of your day actively organizing just to shit on those aforementioned people.
SELF AWARENESS 100
Gladly. I hope some day you can do the same. :mao-wave:
I came here to discuss the fact that culture and posting doesn't seem to translate into the material world, and hopefully get a better understanding of why so we can do better. But some people can't stand to have their treats criticized so they reacted defensively