Lots of differences in these situations, too. The fact that someone uses an argument disingenuously doesn't mean you have to write that off even when it's appropriate.
Basically the "you say this because of X, I say it because of Y, we are not the same" meme
This isn't as much an own as people who say it think. A population may still be increasing in raw numbers but the rate of increase may be severely dampened.
I'm not saying arguing that there is a genocide in Xinjiang, more against weak rhetoric.
that would just change the definition from genocide to something else. there's evidence of them still teaching their culture in schools, so at worst it's a prison state like america.
Genocide is not necessarily eradication. It is theoretically possible (but not true) that the PRC is doing targeted population control on Uyghurs, which constitutes genocide to the UN, without actually shrinking the net population over time. You can kill or sterilize people and still observe net population growth if the birthrate is high enough.
the aim of a genocide is to destroy/eliminate a group of people. if they are still teaching the culture and their population isn't going down, then it could be mass murder instead of genocide. it does seem like people are saying they have prisons and therefore it's oppression. then they ignore the issues on the border there that America caused.
genocide is going pretty poorly if their population only gets larger.
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Lots of differences in these situations, too. The fact that someone uses an argument disingenuously doesn't mean you have to write that off even when it's appropriate.
Basically the "you say this because of X, I say it because of Y, we are not the same" meme
It just doesn't make sense as a line of reasoning.
If population growth is the thing, Niger is the least oppressed country in the world.
This isn't as much an own as people who say it think. A population may still be increasing in raw numbers but the rate of increase may be severely dampened.
I'm not saying arguing that there is a genocide in Xinjiang, more against weak rhetoric.
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that would just change the definition from genocide to something else. there's evidence of them still teaching their culture in schools, so at worst it's a prison state like america.
Genocide is not necessarily eradication. It is theoretically possible (but not true) that the PRC is doing targeted population control on Uyghurs, which constitutes genocide to the UN, without actually shrinking the net population over time. You can kill or sterilize people and still observe net population growth if the birthrate is high enough.
I don't think it would necessarily by itself. I agree with your second point though.
the aim of a genocide is to destroy/eliminate a group of people. if they are still teaching the culture and their population isn't going down, then it could be mass murder instead of genocide. it does seem like people are saying they have prisons and therefore it's oppression. then they ignore the issues on the border there that America caused.
Take it easy comrade we agree on like basically everything read what I wrote again in a less oppositional frame of mind
i didnt mean that in any angry or harsh tone at all.