• AbbysMuscles [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I'm torn. On one hand, frustrating the GOP agenda makes me happy. On the other, fuck the FBI and fuck any alphabet agency who behaves as if they're above congress.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      They must feel pretty confident about Biden's reelection odds. Or, at least confident enough about their job prospects if he loses.

      It does feel like the Three-Letter Agencies are really cracking apart from the central government

      • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        As a believer of the "CIA killed Kennedy or at least made sure an attempt would not be stopped" theory, I don't think the three letter agencies were ever particularly faithful to the government or the government's agenda

        • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          When you have a secret organization with a blank check on money and use of force they are the fuckin government lmao

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          2 years ago

          I think the CIA killed Kennedy theory is heavily predicted on a President in the 1960s having significant control over their administration, organization, and budget.

          This wasn't "the CIA" in abstract, but a specific conspiracy of high ranking officials who saw Dulles get the axe and decided regime change was now in order. Robert Kennedy getting got, Nixon getting ousted, and Carter getting his political knees swiped out from under him to make way for a senile actor and his CIA handler all indicate that these agencies weren't immune to the power of the Presidency up to this point. That's why they set out to take control.

          But by now, we've seen so much autonomy handed over that it no longer really seems to matter who is in change.

          • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Yeah, I'm not saying the CIA was immune to the power of the elected government, just that they have never been faithful to it or its agendas

      • Quizzes [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        President Theodore Roosevelt once cautioned: "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government ofwing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics, is the first task." This was in 1912.

        https://www.loc.gov/collections/theodore-roosevelt-films/articles-and-essays/sound-recordings-of-theodore-roosevelts-voice/

        World War II hero and former U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) once observed, in a different context: "One vision was described in the testimony of Admiral Poindexter, Lieutenant Colonel North, General Secord, and Mr. Hakim: That of a secret government, directed principally by NSC staffers, accountable to not a single elected official, including apparently the President himself — a shadowy government with its own air force, its own navy, its own fund-raising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances and free from the law itself.

        It is an elitist vision of government that trusts no one, not the people, not the

        Congress, and not the Cabinet.

        It is a vision of a government operated by persons convinced they have a monopoly on truth."

        This was in 1912.

        https://dkii.org/speeches/august-03-1987/