Are there other hobbyists that literally go out of their way to shoot themselves in the foot every chance they get? It's legit baffling.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      There are, and it's very funny because the game really is pretty poorly designed and can't be that competitive. GW themselves have said in the past that they make cool minis (:citations-needed:) first and rules second.

      • shath [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        oh but this next edition will be the one we promise give us your money paypig

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          IIRC the Index Period of 8th was actually pretty decent balance-wise, so we might get lucky and see a repeat, but it will inevitably go to shit once they start printing codices.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I'm still shocked anyone puts up with GWs shit, but I know it's because they have a death grip on the game shops where people socialize.

      • lurkerlady [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        its pretty unbalanced, i find it fun though. top meta armies have 60% winrates at times which in a competitive video game would be generally unacceptable for any balance team.

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Oh I find it fun, but as someone who enjoys "casual competitive" (using matched play or tempest rules, but not super meta lists) it can really struggle. This is made much worse when the game is only even remotely balanced at 2k unless someone deliberately nerfs their own list, which means you need quite the investment of time and money to actually be able to play the "proper game".

          Also stratagems are bad.

          • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            I've never played 40k, but one thing that kind of sounds unfortunate about it is that the point buy is apparently low enough that many of the giant mech units basically almost never see play (or so I've heard)

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Titans (the $750-$2000 giant mechs that almost nobody has) never see play except in custom games or the entire separate faster-paced large-scale game called Apocalypse, but Knights (and Chaos Knights) are dedicated factions of pretty-big mechs.

              For comparison, the cheapest titan, the warhound, is 2000 points, which is the size of an entire army for the standard game, while the most expensive, the warlord, is 5500. Meanwhile, the smaller knights range from 400-ish for the gallant to 600-ish for the crusader, and you would typically run several smaller armigers that are around 150 points each as well, so you can cram some mechs into standard games.

              Frankly the bigger problems are the price tag and that the build quality of the titans (which are resin, not plastic) is notoriously shit.

              • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                I feel like a game where each side fields basically an imperator titan (and many assorted mechs) and its equivalent from any other faction (I think only chaos and orks have something that big?) would be awesome to watch. I saw an imperator 'mini' once (picture only) and that thing is gigantic (and I can imagine a pain to move around).

                Unfortunately realistically speaking.....40k is probably kind of dull to watch, and listening to both sides play the game....it doesn't sound fun to play either.

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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              2 years ago

              The Mechs are unbalaned as hell. Either they go first and nuke half your army, or they go second and you focus them down on turn 1. The way the game is structured is a mess.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      There are tournaments for every competitive game imaginable and quite a few you wouldn't believe if I told you about them.