this is vaguely related to the string theory related post from a day or two ago, it's all bazinga science folks TL;DW string theory is a big thing because people that read pop science really liked it and it took a long time for physicists to come out in force and say "this is untestable garbage"
What messages did you get from 80s action movies? :what-the-hell:
What I generally saw was over the top good guys (Optimus Prime) beating the shit out of over the top bad guys (Megatron) and yeah some edgy kids always wanted the bad guys to win but it was not a universal desire no matter how many times you say it was.
The bad guys were usually right. They were usually marginalized people or even communists Appart from like Rambo I mean. I am all in with whatever plot to destroy America some vaguely foreign assholes have.
Judging by your professed claims of craving "not universal, but sort of universal" fantasies of inflicting cruelty and death to people if only you had the privilege to do so without consequences, I don't think you're in any position I'd respect to tell me what you think is "right" about fictional bad guys either.
I feel this treat policing is got to be some king of liberalism. I like watching kung fu movies sometimes. Am I a bad person for enjoying the spectical? There are enough people who do that they make those movies. Is that all propaganda?
Your favorite edgy show got criticized.
I am not threatening its production.
I am not taking it away from you.
I will call out the sheer arrogant bullshit of claims that its propaganda is some universal scientific constant that speaks deep near-universal truths about the human race. Fuck that.
It's sad how you see criticism of a stupid show as some kind of "policing" when I can't take it away from you.
I am saying by virtue of addressing the fact that it is wrong sometimes it is less propaganda that most shows where they never have that conversation. I am saying that you, and a subsection of people, are mad at the show for failing when most shows don't try. This not even my favorite edgy show. We have had this same conversation before. Art that ties and fails is more interesting than art that doesn't try.
I will say it one more time for charitable purposes: I am not taking away your edgy show.
It is my opinion that you've so thoroughly absorbed its message and its :libertarian-approaching: propaganda that you're drawing pseudoscientific conclusions about humanity and about life itself based upon the "silly cartoon" that you want to not be taken seriously until it suits you to state its ideology as universal truths.
Bojack Horseman did a lot of what Rick and Morty did and did it without the pedophilic and mass murder fantasy aspects of Roiland which were also included in the subtext of the pilot episode ("what if Doc Brown was a pedo lololololol") and the "bonus" shorts Roiland put out that doubled down on child cruelty because that's what gets Roiland off. Stop making excuses for toxic trash when art, by definition, should be eligible for criticism.
Do you even understand the purpose of art at all or is this :freeze-gamer: gater "my entertainment is art but you're not allowed to criticize art" have-cake-and-eat-it-too belief on your part?
I feel like we are being justva little post modern here though. Human nature is fundamentally knowable and mundane. That is why being nice to each other is important. That is the implication of historical materialism.
Christ. Now you're using the "postmodern" boogeyman word like :up-yours-woke-moralists: . I'm not even going to humor that accusation with further commentary.
Again, because you still don't have anything else new to say: Art, by definition, is eligible for and should be criticized. If it can’t be criticized, it isn’t art.
Do you think I understand what you mean by repeating the mantra? Is repeating it helping? I don't think the criticism you are making is justified yourblogic you are using
Clearly you're not understanding because you keep moving the goalposts and spinning in circles about how it's just a silly cartoon but also art but also art criticism must be friendly or else it's policing and somehow a threat to your consumption of the product.
You haven't offered anything of substance so far that deserves any more because you refuse to internalize the very basis of art criticism which is, again, that art, by definition, is eligible for and should be criticized. If it can’t be criticized, it isn’t art.
Bojack has just as many monsters working and funding it. We just don't know about it. Every show is made by monsters. Arthur or sesame street as well.
If you think I am mad that are canceling Rick and Marty you are protecting.
Bojack doesn't have to exterminate world populations to carry the same supposedly sacred point. That's actually working against you there: it means that the edgy shit in Rick and Morty doesn't have to be that way to get a similar message across if such a message is so very important.
For that matter, Bojack experiences more lasting consequences than Rick Sanchez, which is incredible in itself because of how much Rick Sanchez gets away with by way of plot armor.
That's a mind-blowing false equivalence made on your part. If you refuse to see the difference between "character has flaws" and "character has godlike powers and is immune to lasting consequences and does atrocities for comedy-intended purposes" I don't know what to say except that's some amazing unexamined ideology on your part. :zizek:
I'm assuming you meant to say "projecting," and again, I'm not interested in playing "u mad" games with you.
I'll just state the following over and over again if you have nothing else to say but that you like the edgy show and you think it's "policing" when the edgy show is criticized:
Art, by definition, is eligible for and should be criticized. If it can't be criticized, it isn't art. If you want your edgy nihilism cartoon to be considered art, stop getting defensive about it getting criticized.
Given that we are living on a world that has and is facing apocalypse so powerful people can have treats they don't enjoy there is some artistic merrit there.
I am saying the scope of the conversation keeps sliding back and forth in ways that are not useful or interesting
You're not saying anything new, you're only moving the goalposts around and around from "it's just a silly cartoon" to "it has profound universal truths about how everyone would be Rick Sanchez if given the chance" to "it's art" to "stop criticizing the art, that's policing" and back to the start again and again.
Because of that, I will reply as I warned you I will reply to your ongoing sophistry: Art, by definition, is eligible for and should be criticized. If it can’t be criticized, it isn’t art.
This is not a twitch debate. Moving the goalposts isn't real in a conversation. A silly cartoon can have intresting themes and remain unimportant. You can portray a thing without endorsement. I don't see the point of consuming treats if you are going to give it a friendly read
Whatever you claim it is, post by post, goalpost movement by goalpost movement, seems to change constantly. You want the edgy show made by the domestically violent racist pedophile to be "just a silly cartoon" until it's to be considered art, until it's supposed to be some great analysis of humanity as a whole which you hold in apparently dismally low contempt, but it's also art that can't be criticized because that's "policing."
So can Mein Kampt, Birth of a Nation, the Turner Diaries, and Atlas Shrugged. But they can and will be called out for terrible ideology and as propaganda that has driven destructive movements.
I call bullshit here because that only seems to be the authors' intent when they get called out for what is portrayed, over and over again, with the atrocities and cruelties presented for entertainment purposes and as comedy for that matter to the taste of Roiland and Harmon themselves, with characters presented with immunity to lasting consequences that are more often than not admired by the loud and obnoxious side of their fandoms.
You really don't understand art criticism if you think that "criticism" has to be "friendly" to be acceptable.
Again, I'll say it again because your goalpost moving Olympics are otherwise not worth further comment:
Art, by definition, is eligible for and should be criticized. If it can’t be criticized, it isn’t art.
So we are just disagreeing over weather a show having a character being miserable countd as it showing them being miserable?
You're refusing to accept that a story can be told with just about the same themes and ideas without an emphasis on gratuitous violence, cruelty, torture, and toxic nihilistic sermonizing. I gave an example of a show that did very similar things without Roiland's creepy fetishes and preoccupations (Bojack Horseman) and you responded by burying that example in false equivalencies about how fucking Arthur from the children's cartoon is equally as bad as Rick Sanchez because... reasons.
I will keep saying it because you keep replying with nothing but sophistry and goalpost moving: Art, by definition, is eligible for and should be criticized. If it can’t be criticized, it isn’t art.