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  • HauntedBySpectacle [he/him, comrade/them]
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    Imperialists have understood they cannot manage an expanding population.

    Yet capitalism also depends on a rapidly expanding population for more thorough exploitation of labor, land, and resources. It has seen by far the highest population growth of any historical epoch. The imperialists may be uncomfortable with the political implications of population growth in imperialized countries, but it is a necessary feature of the system. I don't want to go too far into this theoretical debate though, because ultimately whether this is true is irrelevant to whether abortion is acceptable and what policy on it should be implemented.

    Lenin did not “legalise abortion”. The temporary allowing of abortion was due to the extreme nature of the all capitalist invasion of 1918-1924 and the famine of 1920-21

    You call it temporary, but the curtailment of abortion under Stalin was a much shorter period of time than the relatively lax abortion policy otherwise. The USSR legalized abortion in 1920, curtailed it during the crisis of the 30s through world world 2, then relaxed the policy throughout the 50s after the war ended, even while Stalin was still alive. Even if the leadership did not want abortion to be overly harmful to population growth, the rate of abortion in the USSR was quite high. This journal article states it was one of the highest rates of the world during the 1950s and 1960s, with millions being performed every year. It was clearly not a strongly discouraged practice, even if in theory there were limitations to the right.

    Semashko stated explicitly that...

    Irrelevant to whether abortion is reactionary.

    Just not the ones during their most revolutionary periods or the most revolutionary ones today.

    It is unclear what you mean by this. Most revolutionary periods? How exactly is the Great Patriotic War, important as it was, more revolutionary than the immediate aftermath of 1917? If we look at China, there is strong continuity in their abortion policy ever since Mao. It was legal at the height of the revolution, and it is legal now. Are you referring to the degree or intensity of revolutionary action? I do not see a relationship between that and the banning or strong restriction of abortion. The material link between a total war and a punitively pro-natalist, anti-abortion policy, by contrast, is evident.

    By "most revolutionary ones today," I'm assuming states you personally feel are less revisionist or something? In the case of the DPRK, you appear to be incorrect on their policy. This document submitted by them to the United Nations indicate that abortion is legal on demand.

    The Eastern Bloc states were the first in Europe to legalize abortion, after the USSR itself. Vietnam has had legal abortion on demand ever since it reunified. Cuba has had legal abortion for decades. Laos is admittedly more restrictive, but it has a much more permissive policy than you claimed. It is not only in case of danger to the mother's life; the penal code [source in Laotion] states that it is allowed in case of danger to health generally, in cases of sexual violence, in cases where the fetus would be born impaired, and in cases where the economic and social conditions of the family are too poor to raise a child.

    Black nation today in USA is ferociously anti-abortion because the US literally tried to genocide them with it

    Polling data shows that Black Americans are the second-most likely racial demographic in the US to support abortion rights, after Asian Americans, at 68% support.

    edit: phrasing