Yeah plenty of threads there that get so close to getting it, then they just kinda circle back to the status quo. They acknowledge Yeonmi Park is not trustworthy, she gets paid for her stories to be as ridiculous as possible so she wildly embellishes. But if you asked them to recognize that every North Korean defector in SK right now is totally subject to the same financial incentives so all stories about North Korea from SK are extremely suspect, you're a CCP shill and you need to stfu.