Those in the Imperial Core will never understand that what they consider unbearable hardship and boredom is actually a life of luxury that the vast majority of people on Earth cannot even imagine.

The international division of labor is 1000x more important and impactful than the domestic one.

  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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    Most of the Global South experiences a whole shitload of violence, and not just at a distance on the TV or Twitter.

    What's the nature of that violence? Do they experience constant disorganized mass shootings at the hands of their friends and relatives, who's psyches are snapping one by one after years of everything being totally fine, according to you? Nothing about the fact that the incredibly hopeless and nihilistic act of suicide by rampage is an almost entirely American phenomenon spins any cogs in that incredibly rational Marxist head? Honestly, the immediate broadening of the topic to all violence feels incredibly like a hasty obfuscation.

    What’s the point of even looking at this guy’s “alienation?” To convince other first world workers that Capitalism isn’t in their favor? To what end? If you’re not talking about revolution, then anything else is pointless

    To what end? Revolution, of course. If you’re not talking about revolution, then anything else is pointless. Nevermind that this conversation started with a complaint about a tweet, I'm sure that was a very serious and communist exception.

    Why are you so invested in convincing people that their alienation isn't real? To what end? What's your call to action, "fuck off out of socialism if you're inside the Imperial Core?" Because that's just "return to brunch" with a red coat of paint.

    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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      What’s the nature of that violence? Do they experience constant disorganized mass shootings at the hands of their friends and relatives, who’s psyches are snapping one by one after years of everything being totally fine, according to you? Nothing about the fact that the incredibly hopeless and nihilistic act of suicide by rampage is an almost entirely American phenomenon spins any cogs in that incredibly rational Marxist head?

      No, the violence is largely at the hands of the state and American imperial concerns. I guess the fact that the violence they face is organized and serves a purpose instead of being the byproduct of aristocrats' empty lives makes it better?

      Why are you so invested in convincing people that their alienation isn’t real? To what end?

      I hate people whose lives are fine trying to make themselves out to be victims. It is genuinely disgusting to see some Imperial Core labor aristocrat whining about how their drugs are too expensive or whatever, completely ignoring the Columbian children who died to make their coke in the first place.

      Moreover, I'm a Marxist, and I study the science of revolution. I want to analyze the places where the global mode of production fracture. That's not in the labor aristocracy.

      What’s your call to action, “fuck off out of socialism if you’re inside the Imperial Core?” Because that’s just “return to brunch” with a red coat of paint.

      Well since we're back to talking about Socialism and revolution, my message would be "spending literally any effort on people whose lives are fine instead of the actual acute points of contradiction is a complete waste of time, energy, and resources, and likely a reflection of profound myopia."

      • TheFreshestHell [he/him,any]
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        2 years ago

        spending literally any effort on people whose lives are fine instead of the actual acute points of contradiction is a complete waste of time, energy, and resources, and likely a reflection of profound myopia

        He says, many article-length comments deep on a person whose life is fine.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        Do they experience constant disorganized mass shootings at the hands of their friends and relatives, who’s psyches are snapping one by one (?)

        No, the violence is largely at the hands of the state and American imperial concerns

        Then that's it, you've agreed with me that the two are not comparable and you have no leg to stand on in denying that capitalism hurts everybody. The "oh, I suppose that's better to you, huh?" you followed it up with is nothing but lazy, childish baiting.

        Someone up above was nice enough to let me know you've already made explicit that you don't give a shit about huge swathes of the human population, so this is as far as the conversation goes. You can announce you're a Marxist until the oceans boil over, I'm disengaging.