hit the character limit

make sure to read sources before sharing them.

DO NOT COPY-PASTE THIS ON LEMMY LOL, THIS IS A BRAINSTORM FOR OUR USE

We should pool our sources and evidence in this thread so that people with approved lemmy accounts can start spreading it there.

Feel free to contribute lol, it's a lot of work for me to do on my own and I might miss stuff or make mistakes, although I'm gonna keep going help or no

I'll grab links in a second (and there are some good articles I'd like to find that gather lots of evidence in one place), but here's some stuff off the top of my head:

I don't really have much off the top of my head for Uighur genocide stuff

I'll stick articles down here, some of which aggregate lots of evidence in one place

How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning ...edgy-sounding title though

1989: Tiananmen Square ‘massacre’ was a myth

How Much Longer Do We Need to Propagate Lies About Tiananmen Square?

Tiananmen — The Big Lie

Tiananmen: The Massacre that Wasn’t

1989 Tiananmen Square "Student Massacre" was a hoax

The Truth Behind the Myth of the 'Tiananmen Square Massacre' - Opinion Piece By Dr. Dennis Etler

Notes for 30th Anniversary of TianAnMen Incident, courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot

Tiananmen Square Massacre – Facts, Fiction and Propaganda Lots of good images and western media quotes, but the site hosts some goofy articles so be careful citing it

Let’s talk about Tiananmen Square, 1989: My hearsay is better than your hearsay

Birth of a massacre myth, courtesy of /u/GarbageShoot

CBS news: There was no "Tiananmen Square Massacre", courtesy of /u/robinn

a NYT questioning the massacre, courtesy of /u/robinn and here's a pastebin rip

dessalines, a Lemmy dev, has a good socialism FAQ, including sections on Tiananmen, courtesy of /u/PorkrollPosadist

[link] [link] these two /r/ChangeMyView comments on China are great, courtesy of /u/geikei

[link] [link] [link] Some old hexbear threads, courtesy of /u/Finger

not China, but /u/robinn also made a carrd on the DPRK and linked a good twitter thread by ProleWiki

Comments in this thread to check out. I'll try to also add their info up here.

/u/robinn: https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3513792

/u/Awoo suggests keeping things short and digestible instead of posting long effortposts, since libs will just count on people not reading the whole thing and they will point at it and say "See? They deny the Uighur genocide" or "See, they deny Tiananmen" https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3514089

/u/GnastyGnuts has some great links but I hit char limit https://hexbear.net/post/271448/comment/3514972

/u/Krause has more great links https://hexbear.net/comment/3529874

Lemmy posts and comments from us

by /u/GarbageShoot: https://lemmy.ml/comment/476526

  • robinn [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Okay found out what Lemmy is and I hate it. Like wtf is this.

    Hey, tankies, decent countries don’t have to violently suppress their populations and then lie about it. Oh, and socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, not whatever the fuck they’re doing in China. (inb4 people assuming I must support the US since I hate China)

    The socialism understander has logged on. Wouldn't even know what to reply to this since it's literally nothing.

    • Wheaties [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Oh, and socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, not whatever the fuck they’re doing in China.

      What would you have a hypothetical, newly socialist country do at this moment in the global economy? How would you go about increasing living conditions? How would you build your productive capacity? And, most critically, how would you do it without being overwhelmed by capitalist forces?

      don't have a lemmy, someone feel free to use this

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        edit-2
        1 year ago

        :parenti: The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.

      • geikei [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Also even if we take the "argument" at face value and consider that the people doing these gotchas usualy jerk off to co-ops being socialism or doing co-ops under capitalism being the road to that . Welp China has more co-ops and people working on them than the rest of the world combned. Im pretty sure the more chinese people are working just in agricultural co-ops or communal owned agricultural buisnesses than the entire combined population of all European social democracies lmao. Let alone in other sectors. And the rate of co-op establishment has accelerated a ton in the last decade. This breaks a lot of anti-chinese demsoc brains