You don't need to convince me that Teslas suck. I'm willing to buy that Elon being a fraudster and Tesla being one entire grift are strong indicators that safety and reliability likely weren't great concerns when creating the autopilot.
My issue is how this is all being argued, because there should be proof readily available. We should have numbers on how many people are using the autopilot relative to how many people aren't, and we should be able to draw statistical conclusions from that. We shouldn't have to say "Tesla's manufacturing is bad so their autopilot is probably also bad", there should be more concrete evidence in this article of the autopilot sucking independently.
No, my default assumption is that the Tesla autopilot probably sucks because everything Elon touches sucks. That was my initial assumption and is still my current assumption as well. But that's all it is right now, and this article doesn't confirm my assumption in a satisfactory way, that is my issue with it. I would like to read this article and go "Ha, I knew it!" but with what little conclusive evidence it provides, it would be disingenuous of me to do so.
It is worth noting that tesla was #1 at 736 crashes since 2019 and subaru was #2 with 23 in the same time period. To your overall point this is still fairly formless since we don't have information on how many cars were using selfdriving / who was at fault / total hours used or w/e, but it still seems indicative.
Definitely possible, Tesla is well into "too big to fail" territory. Trust me that when the guy in the driver's seat tells me he's gonna activate the self-driving feature I'm jumping out of a moving Tesla :big-cool:
You don't need to convince me that Teslas suck. I'm willing to buy that Elon being a fraudster and Tesla being one entire grift are strong indicators that safety and reliability likely weren't great concerns when creating the autopilot.
My issue is how this is all being argued, because there should be proof readily available. We should have numbers on how many people are using the autopilot relative to how many people aren't, and we should be able to draw statistical conclusions from that. We shouldn't have to say "Tesla's manufacturing is bad so their autopilot is probably also bad", there should be more concrete evidence in this article of the autopilot sucking independently.
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No, my default assumption is that the Tesla autopilot probably sucks because everything Elon touches sucks. That was my initial assumption and is still my current assumption as well. But that's all it is right now, and this article doesn't confirm my assumption in a satisfactory way, that is my issue with it. I would like to read this article and go "Ha, I knew it!" but with what little conclusive evidence it provides, it would be disingenuous of me to do so.
It is worth noting that tesla was #1 at 736 crashes since 2019 and subaru was #2 with 23 in the same time period. To your overall point this is still fairly formless since we don't have information on how many cars were using selfdriving / who was at fault / total hours used or w/e, but it still seems indicative.
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Definitely possible, Tesla is well into "too big to fail" territory. Trust me that when the guy in the driver's seat tells me he's gonna activate the self-driving feature I'm jumping out of a moving Tesla :big-cool:
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