They make fun of the millions that died from Stalins tyrannical rule. They even support state capitalists, Putin and Xi. Do not trust them, they are draconian tankies who ban anyone who disagrees with them.

  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Several scholars have disputed the allegation that the famine was a genocidal campaign which was waged by the Soviet government, including J. Arch Getty,[27] Stephen G. Wheatcroft,[2] R. W. Davies,[28] and Mark Tauger.[29] Getty says that the "overwhelming weight of opinion among scholars working in the new archives ... is that the terrible famine of the 1930s was the result of Stalinist bungling and rigidity rather than some genocidal plan."[27] Wheatcroft says that the Soviet government's policies during the famine were criminal acts of fraud and manslaughter, though not outright murder or genocide.[30][c] Joseph Stalin biographer Stephen Kotkin states that while "there is no question of Stalin's responsibility for the famine" and many deaths could have been prevented if not for the counterproductive and insufficient Soviet measures, there is no evidence for Stalin's intention to kill the Ukrainians deliberately.[31] History professor Ronald Grigor Suny says that most scholars reject the view that the famine was an act of genocide, seeing it instead as resulting from badly conceived and miscalculated Soviet economic policies.[32]

    Your serious scholars -- people who've actually gone through old Soviet internal documents -- say that at worst the Soviet famine was basically mismanagement. The idea that the Soviets intentionally starved their own people started as Nazi propaganda, was recycled into anticommunist propaganda by the U.S. and its allies, and has now become the sort of pop history you find on airport bookshelves but would be quickly dismissed by any real academic.

    See also:

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/11/21/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Counterpoint: The famine was a genocide against the poor perpetrated by the Kulaks, along with mismanagement, etc.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      1 year ago

      This. The Soviet government fucked up very badly and bares responsibility for the famine, but it was not intentional nor was there ever any desire to kill Ukrainians en masse. The government likely could have alleviated the worst of the famine if they had acted promptly and effectively but due to a variety of logistic, communication, and amdinistrative failures they failed to do so until late in the famine.

      Also the "Double Holocaust" never mentions the serious drought that occured and was the proximate cause of the 193e famine.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      1 year ago

      It's still Nazi propaganda. The US and Nato have been supporting it semi-quietly to maintain the loyalty of :no-fash: in Eastern Europe, especially the Baltics but also with the Banderites in UA.