• robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    if we're fighting over part of california i don't gain much of anything by half-assedly bombing baltimore

    • CarmineCatboy [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      that might help convince the government of 'baltimore' to stop bombing 'california'. it might also be the only way to do it.

    • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      You understand that a national military has bases and supply warehouses all throughout the country and logistic networks to move them about to the front right? You understand the concept of barracks and reserves? Why would a nation attack another and only hit the things on the front and ignore the reinforcements behind it?

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        yeah no shit and the coverage from the beginning of the invasion indicated that russia was doing way more than that.

        because ukraine has shit for a military until the nato proxy war materiel rolls in, and maybe you don't provoke that if you don't expand the fucking front all the way west.

        • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          because ukraine has shit for a military until the nato proxy war materiel rolls in

          Even before the conflict, Ukraine had the 2nd largest military in Europe (#1 being Russia). It was NATO trained since 2014. Ukraine inherited 30% of the Soviet war industry, they had massive munitions supplies. Nobody else in Europe would be able to stand up to Russia like they could, and that's before they received $110 billion in western military heavy arms. Russia has had to destroy 3 Ukrainian armies (Their original massive army, their 2nd army filled with Soviet systems from donations from Poland, Baltic Nations, post-soviet states, Turkish TB2s, and then their 3rd army of NATO German/American munitions is being destroyed currently). Ukraine has suffered likely hundreds of thousands of casualties and lost thousands of MLRS, tanks, drones, etc.

          Again, I don't think you are understanding how war works and how committing to a conflict with a nation state involves going all-in and striking their re-supply lines and economic and transport infrastructure

          When you decide to attack someone else in a fight, you don’t limit yourself to only touching their hands. You go right for the throat.

        • DictatrshipOfTheseus [comrade/them, any]
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          2 years ago

          no shit and the coverage from the beginning of the invasion indicated [...]

          If there's anything western leftists can learn from this war, if they weren't already aware, it's that whatever "coverage" they get from western media can be immediately discarded. Same goes for the opinions of people who believe that coverage.

        • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          NATO has been arming and training Ukraine since 2014. US Congress had to pass a law forbidding the army from training Azov troops. Obviously the Azov guys just got around this by being in a different battalion when the training was going on.

      • daisy
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        2 years ago

        This is not Advance Wars. You don't win by occupying all the enemy cities. You win by ending the enemy's ability to wage war.

          • daisy
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            2 years ago

            How? Ukraine's government would just move their operations elsewhere, and occupying the city would be a brutal Staligrad-esque siege that would destroy troop morale and tie up resources. Russia gains nothing from that. The way to wreck a country's ability to wage war is to blow up supply depots and transport links, lure enemy troops and armor into meat grinders, and prioritize taking out AA to make those things possible.

            • yastreb
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              1 year ago

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            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              it's not that easy to just move all the operations of running a war there's a lot of bureacracy involved it isn't just some guys in a hotel room with a whiteboard