Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the current US healthcare system, it’s horrible and riddled with perverse incentives, and should be mostly (if not entirely) nationalized. I’m just not sure how to justify the idea that healthcare is a “right”.

I know that sometimes people on the left draw a comparison to the right to a public defender. I’m not sure that argument really holds up though, because you only have the right to a public defender under the specific circumstance of being prosecuted by the government for a crime. The logic there is “if the government is going to significantly interfere with your life by arresting you and trying you for a crime, then it at least has to allow you to get legal defense from a qualified attorney, even if you need the government to pay for it.” There’s not, like, a right to a publicly paid lawyer for any and all purposes.

  • join_the_iww [he/him]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    what exactly is the crux of the argument that "healthcare can't be a right because it requires other people's labor"?

    I think the point of that statement is, what about poorer, less industrialized societies that don’t have a lot of medical facilities? In order for people to have a right to healthcare, there has to be healthcare. That means doctors, nurses, hospitals, emergency rooms, and means of producing medicine and medical devices. If a society doesn’t have all of that then any “right to healthcare” won’t amount to much in practice.

    • MF_COOM [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      In order for people to have a right to healthcare, there has to be healthcare

      I mean, that's not true? A right exists independent of the ability of a state to meet that right.

      • join_the_iww [he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        If a person has a “right” to something their society isn’t technically or logistically capable of providing, then that right is meaningless.

        • MF_COOM [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I mean, rights kind of are meaningless lol. It's just a statement of the values of a society.

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        gotta be careful about saying rights exist when they're inventions of relatively modern societies and pre-agricultural people probably thought killing somebody for no reason was wrong