Patricio Manuel, the trans-masc boxer signed with a major boxing promoter Oscar De La Hoya with Golden Boy Promotions, has once again defeated cisgender men in a professional boxing fight, increasing his record to 3 – 0.

  • Jennifer [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Hmm, idk though. Tbh I don't think Valentina Schevchenko is ever beating, say, Brandon Moreno or any of the top flyweight guys. The strength differential is too much imo. Also don't really want to see guys beat up women tbh

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I agree that Shev wouldn’t touch Moreno but I don’t think that’s a biological difference, I think that really comes down to the different societal pressures girls and boys experience towards sports in general. All of the top male fighters are people who have been on a mat/wearing gloves since they were 5. There have been women competing for the belt that started the sport less than 5 years beforehand. It’s incredibly rare to find female athletes that have been training at the same level and for as long as they’re male peers, but that’s slowly changing and for more sports than just MMA. Look at American soccer as a great example of the inverse gender split where young boys with athletic potential get pushed towards other sports and girls get pulled towards it.

      Anyway my second hot take is that Ronda Rousey is to Tito Ortiz what Shevchenko is to Shogun Rua. The depth of skill will only increase in women’s MMA over time just like it did in men’s MMA

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        There's probably some biological differences but they're lost in the noise of every other genetic, environmental and social factor.

        I mean it wasn't that long ago that women didn't compete in men's chess, and I think we all acknowledge that it's pretty absurd to imagine a strong sex component to chess ability.

    • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I think Moreno is also just a much better fighter than Shevchenko too though. I estimate many male fighter would have a skill advantage because male weight classes are generally deeper and better established than their female counterparts.

    • UnicodeHamSic [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I'd that true? Or is that just an effect of thr size of the talent pool. There are plenty of guys who would be in that weight class that just aren't as strong. Very few women get into combat sports and as such we aren't seeing those outliers get good. Some of the strongest pound four pound lifters are women. They just don't make it up to high weight classes.