Patricio Manuel, the trans-masc boxer signed with a major boxing promoter Oscar De La Hoya with Golden Boy Promotions, has once again defeated cisgender men in a professional boxing fight, increasing his record to 3 – 0.
Completely unfair that he's allowed to participate. Going through a female puberty bestows massive advantages in bone structure and muscle mass and experiences of being treated like shit by creeps. He's bringing the full rage of a victim of misogyny that no cis man is capable of matching.
Incredibly based. Literally punching chud arguments by literally punching chuds.
I mean, the opponent has to agree to the fight so they are probably cool dudes agreeing to the fight. So in a way it is nice he found friends
You'd think so. But one of Fallon Fox's opponents complained after the fight.
Oddly, it was also the only woman who beat her who did that??? It was so weird.
It is unknown if he does get ranked in the boxing bodies if he will be ranked with the other cismen, or if he will be ranked with the suggested trans rankings that WBC has announced, but is yet to reveal.
Terfs seriously want this guy to fight against trans women.
is it against boxing rules if i throw an unopened jar of pickles at somebody
wait nvm i can't throw for shit
It's the only way these charlatans can keep their stupid talking points. These people know nothing about biology, much less the struggle to become an athlete.
Lol so the WBC hates trans people so much they are going to create a separate category for all two athletes? :ioc-cool:
we need to ban cissies from sports until we can figure out what the hell is going on tbh
Would they just keep it at weight classes? As this sounds like the actual only way to properly rank fighters.
Well duh, trans men are men. When will the bigots learn.
Look up the Jake Shields situation. He's gotta be so fucking mad.
Jake Shields fucking sucks, I dislike him, Joe Schilling, and the Diaz brothers. That whole gaggle of people is insufferable.
Have the Diaz brothers said transphobic or otherwise chud shit? Because I'm not familiar.
I was specifically referring to Shields' challenge to fight like 10 trans men back to back to prove inherent amab superiority or whatever.
I don't actually know if they've said transphobic stuff specifically, but I just think they're douches. I'm not puritanical about how fighters conduct themselves, but I see them as embarrassing -- getting into streetfights with randos as they're pushing 40, lame shit like that.
Not surprising as boxing, like most sports, is dominated by the technically superior, not the biggest cissy
My hot take is that with weight classes and equitable training opportunities you don’t need to split sports by sex. Someone’s always the stronger person when there’s two people in the cage, you just have to train ti be better than them
Source: I coached the first female wrestler to win a state championship in our state (her dad and mom were both top tier wrestlers and she had like 6 older brothers who were also state champs, I didn’t have to do much lmao)
Hmm, idk though. Tbh I don't think Valentina Schevchenko is ever beating, say, Brandon Moreno or any of the top flyweight guys. The strength differential is too much imo. Also don't really want to see guys beat up women tbh
I agree that Shev wouldn’t touch Moreno but I don’t think that’s a biological difference, I think that really comes down to the different societal pressures girls and boys experience towards sports in general. All of the top male fighters are people who have been on a mat/wearing gloves since they were 5. There have been women competing for the belt that started the sport less than 5 years beforehand. It’s incredibly rare to find female athletes that have been training at the same level and for as long as they’re male peers, but that’s slowly changing and for more sports than just MMA. Look at American soccer as a great example of the inverse gender split where young boys with athletic potential get pushed towards other sports and girls get pulled towards it.
Anyway my second hot take is that Ronda Rousey is to Tito Ortiz what Shevchenko is to Shogun Rua. The depth of skill will only increase in women’s MMA over time just like it did in men’s MMA
There's probably some biological differences but they're lost in the noise of every other genetic, environmental and social factor.
I mean it wasn't that long ago that women didn't compete in men's chess, and I think we all acknowledge that it's pretty absurd to imagine a strong sex component to chess ability.
I think Moreno is also just a much better fighter than Shevchenko too though. I estimate many male fighter would have a skill advantage because male weight classes are generally deeper and better established than their female counterparts.
I'd that true? Or is that just an effect of thr size of the talent pool. There are plenty of guys who would be in that weight class that just aren't as strong. Very few women get into combat sports and as such we aren't seeing those outliers get good. Some of the strongest pound four pound lifters are women. They just don't make it up to high weight classes.
Hasn't boxing been dominated by sluggers for a while? Or is that just a heavyweight trend?
That's heavyweight. It is harder to be light on your feet and you can put enough mass into a punch that you can reasonably expect to blast your opponent. You still see boxers with clean moves but it just isn't as necessary
Let me guess, this isn't fair for cis men because trans men are taking T or something?
Honestly I have a lot of questions about this since TRT is (or was at least) one f the top PEDs in combat sports. Bigfoot Silva used test to treat his gigantism and had to retire from the UFC when they banned it
So long as he's not taking more testosterone than is medically required it should be fine.
This is good but he needs better opponents. The three guys he beat had terrible records and it's pretty insulting for a guy of his skill to be given only cans as opponents. A lot of it has to do with prejudice towards him but I'm really hoping bigger names step up to see how far his skill goes.
Boxing consistently has a ratio of one real fight for every ten cans you crush. You can just see the difference in records between sports where a top Thai kickboxer will have something like a 112-34 record, to a boxer’s 36-8, to an MMA fighter’s 15-2
That's just how boxing is normally. Unless they were a superstar in the Olympics before going pro like Lomachenko or Usyk, every boxer starts off fighting cans for the first 15-30 fights of their career.
Looking like trans people need to form their own leagues so that they don't consistently dominate
to those impacted by this tragic event
