There's definitely something weird about a guy whose base is very nationalistic (and not in the national liberation sense) positioning himself in opposition to "liberal globalism" when you and I know perfectly well that 'liberal' in that phrase can perfectly mean the f slur, and 'globalism' means NATO just as much as it means immigrants. Putin has sold this war domestically as a fight against western decadence, as though they're fighting a morally indecent society.
I'm not saying Putin is wrong to defend against NATO expansionism though, just to be clear, but you don't have to hand it to him.
This whole anti nato/globalist right wing red brown thing doesnt exist its just projection from neoliberals
Why whould you assume that it has anything to do with f slur or immigrants, do you think pro Nato people are pro immigrants or progressive or something?
Why do you (plural) assoicated anti nato with reactionary
Dont get me wrong Putin has reactionary views himself i just dont think we should be pearl clutching about the word globalist.
It's not a red/brown alliance if the reds are all dead, genius. Putin is not your savior, he's just in a position where he's doing anti-imperialism as a result of his country being ostracized and excluded from participating in imperialism. I can't exactly call him an opportunist because he's not even genuinely trying to sell his government as progressive anyway. He's calling queer people in Russia extremists, and yeah obviously NATO demons have an even worse track record, but don't act like there's no reason for me to be skeptical of his angle when he calls his war a crusade against the globalists.
Just to make my point clear: NATO is even worse than Russia at all the things Russia is accusing them of being good at. NATO is more racist, more queerphobic, more reactionary than Russia. But Putin has to bat for a base of nationalistic chuds in his own country, which is why he attacks the West for accepting immigrants, pinkwashing, and not respecting tradition or whatever. He's weirdly doing the right things while saying all the wrong things.
It obviously isn’t, seen by the widespread usage of the term across the political spectrum
The attempted rebranding of globalist into jew is a very recent fringe phenomena. Globalism has been the explicitly stated ideology of Liberals for decades, they self-proclaim as such
I repeat, show me anti-globalist leftist lit pre-2016, I've never heard the term used leftistly. It was alex jones fodder for decades, not sure why we should use it instead of imperialism/liberalism.
Liberals often talk about “globalization” in the economic neoliberal capitalist sense, and in the 90s it was very common to be pro-globalization and anti-globalization. It was what the famous Seattle protesting WTO was all about, the anti-globalist vs. pro-globalist split in the new post soviet left
They are similar in meaning and derived from the same root, but globalization is a much more common word. That's the reason fascists adopted the term globalism: because globalization was used by leftists.
But I'd rather be specific and not simply of talk of mere 'liberal-globalists' ; I do not wanna look like a larouchite or settler-socialist (A la Patsoc Infrared)...
How is liberal globalist or elites specific? Anyone can use it for their goal
But railing against Industrial, Landlording, and Finance Capitalists, along with compradors, settler-capitalists, semi-feudal lords, and the like... that's something they can't steal, -----!
They can steal anti-western... but they can never steal those terms specifically...
There is nothing wrong with calling them liberal globalist
The word "globalist" is pretty much exclusively used by Nazis as a dogwhistle.
Putin is not a nazi nor is it anything weird about calling them Globalist.
The last 2 years has shown us that the pro globalist sides are defending actual Nazis
There's definitely something weird about a guy whose base is very nationalistic (and not in the national liberation sense) positioning himself in opposition to "liberal globalism" when you and I know perfectly well that 'liberal' in that phrase can perfectly mean the f slur, and 'globalism' means NATO just as much as it means immigrants. Putin has sold this war domestically as a fight against western decadence, as though they're fighting a morally indecent society.
I'm not saying Putin is wrong to defend against NATO expansionism though, just to be clear, but you don't have to hand it to him.
This whole anti nato/globalist right wing red brown thing doesnt exist its just projection from neoliberals
Why whould you assume that it has anything to do with f slur or immigrants, do you think pro Nato people are pro immigrants or progressive or something?
Why do you (plural) assoicated anti nato with reactionary
Dont get me wrong Putin has reactionary views himself i just dont think we should be pearl clutching about the word globalist.
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It's not a red/brown alliance if the reds are all dead, genius. Putin is not your savior, he's just in a position where he's doing anti-imperialism as a result of his country being ostracized and excluded from participating in imperialism. I can't exactly call him an opportunist because he's not even genuinely trying to sell his government as progressive anyway. He's calling queer people in Russia extremists, and yeah obviously NATO demons have an even worse track record, but don't act like there's no reason for me to be skeptical of his angle when he calls his war a crusade against the globalists.
Just to make my point clear: NATO is even worse than Russia at all the things Russia is accusing them of being good at. NATO is more racist, more queerphobic, more reactionary than Russia. But Putin has to bat for a base of nationalistic chuds in his own country, which is why he attacks the West for accepting immigrants, pinkwashing, and not respecting tradition or whatever. He's weirdly doing the right things while saying all the wrong things.
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the alignment with Dugin proves this incorrect
Neolibs are giving weapons to neo nazis
obviously i don't disagree on that, but i also want to highlight that dugin's influence should not be understated
It obviously isn’t, seen by the widespread usage of the term across the political spectrum
The attempted rebranding of globalist into jew is a very recent fringe phenomena. Globalism has been the explicitly stated ideology of Liberals for decades, they self-proclaim as such
I repeat, show me anti-globalist leftist lit pre-2016, I've never heard the term used leftistly. It was alex jones fodder for decades, not sure why we should use it instead of imperialism/liberalism.
Peep the signs in the protest of WTO in Seattle. This shit has been around since probably before you were born. Is everyone at these protests a Nazi?
The word globalism doesn't appear in any of those pictures.
Globalization isn’t globalism, come on now
We should start using swastikas too, since those were used before Nazis.
I've literally never heard the word globalist before fascists started using it, so it can't have been that common.
Liberals often talk about “globalization” in the economic neoliberal capitalist sense, and in the 90s it was very common to be pro-globalization and anti-globalization. It was what the famous Seattle protesting WTO was all about, the anti-globalist vs. pro-globalist split in the new post soviet left
Globalization ≠ globalism.
English isn't my first language but they seem interchangeable to me in most geopolitical contexts
They are similar in meaning and derived from the same root, but globalization is a much more common word. That's the reason fascists adopted the term globalism: because globalization was used by leftists.
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But I'd rather be specific and not simply of talk of mere 'liberal-globalists' ; I do not wanna look like a larouchite or settler-socialist (A la Patsoc Infrared)...
Dont let those patsoc losers steal our terms
How is liberal globalist or elites specific? Anyone can use it for their goal
But railing against Industrial, Landlording, and Finance Capitalists, along with compradors, settler-capitalists, semi-feudal lords, and the like... that's something they can't steal, -----!
They can steal anti-western... but they can never steal those terms specifically...
Did you call me a bitch?
Ummm... screw me, I'll censor myself...
Why was it there in the first place
Spur of the moment, also, a bit of ChapoTrapHouse's dirtbag mentality kinda rubbed off on me, ye know.... now focus on my argument?
They can just say that all terms are also controlled by "the jews" i dont why globalist gets singled out as some evil phrase
Nazis are nor anti globalist or anti capitalist they are full of shit.
The people who defend globalism also defend nazis
Russia DPRK China Iran are anti globalist Usa EU UK are pro globalist
Plenty of leftist use the phrase globalist am not gonna give it to nazi scums
which leftists use globalism, rather than more precise terms like imperialism or liberalism?
I'm not telling you what to do? I'm just telling you it's too open-ended for me to use....
I know, i was just against the idea that it makes us look like whatever buzzword projection libs come up with
Its too close too muh horseshoe theory
More like horseshit theory, am I right, fowks?
Yeah
Pretty hilarious to have a flub on this level while you are trying to term police
Welp...