I think the Opiod and Fentanyl crises (or crisis, depending on how you see it) has really discredited the libertarian-leaning argument of simply decriminalizing everything, hoping thar people don't fuck up their own lives, and providing remedial assistance when some of them do.
The opioid shit could not possibly be due to decriminalization and assistance, because we've done neither. Liberal.
Beyond that, there's a clear and obvious line between the war on drugs and the rise of fentanyl. Smuggling drugs is easier when they're more potent and all that.
No, ofc the current crises aren't because of decriminalization. The point I was trying to make, and maybe I didn't make it well, is that opiods and fent derivatives are so destructive and have become so widespread that most people will reject trying to solve the problem with decriminalization (and they already reject aiding victims of drug use anyway).
Legalization itself is not a golden panacea for the problem. If it was, Britain forcing Qing China to legalize the opium trade would have helped the problem instead of making it worse.
Yeah it's definitely not a panacea - the only problems I see solved by decriminalization are fewer people being caged, and one less counter-insurgency tool for pigs to use. The tack I take when I'm not being antagonistic is to emphasize that, however bad drug problems may be, caging people hasn't helped at all with those problems, and has made some of them worse by destroying so many lives. For positive solutions, though, it's almost impossible to do anything that wouldn't require a completely different kind of governance to fully replace the US government
It's weird though - the few mild libs in my life have seemed weirdly at ease with me saying things like, "This is one of the worst possible solutions, and we would still literally be safer if we took every cops guns and distributed them to every prisoner." I think a lot of them feel a strong dissonance about our justice system
Fwiw I do think that broad decriminalization could work in the context of a country that actually gives a shit about the wellbeing of its people. In the US context though? Even if decriminalization could pass into law you'd never be able to get enough people on board to fund the necessary social/medical support systems to make it work.
Honestly, no notes. Any time the libs in my life want to talk policy with me - virtually any policy toward improving things, since today's greatest problems are the ones that capital is invested in maximizing - the issue of dismantling the Great Satan and the drawing the rest of the owl implied in that become the first part of any proposal
So, I don't tend to make proposals anymore so much as just eroding their sense that the US is the best country, then that it's at least a decent country, then that it's at least not an especially bad country like the CSA or Nazi Germany. It's gone okay, but I think real erosion is a good bit faster
The opioid shit could not possibly be due to decriminalization and assistance, because we've done neither. Liberal.
Beyond that, there's a clear and obvious line between the war on drugs and the rise of fentanyl. Smuggling drugs is easier when they're more potent and all that.
No, ofc the current crises aren't because of decriminalization. The point I was trying to make, and maybe I didn't make it well, is that opiods and fent derivatives are so destructive and have become so widespread that most people will reject trying to solve the problem with decriminalization (and they already reject aiding victims of drug use anyway).
Legalization itself is not a golden panacea for the problem. If it was, Britain forcing Qing China to legalize the opium trade would have helped the problem instead of making it worse.
Oh my bad. I'm sorry I called you a liberal.
Yeah it's definitely not a panacea - the only problems I see solved by decriminalization are fewer people being caged, and one less counter-insurgency tool for pigs to use. The tack I take when I'm not being antagonistic is to emphasize that, however bad drug problems may be, caging people hasn't helped at all with those problems, and has made some of them worse by destroying so many lives. For positive solutions, though, it's almost impossible to do anything that wouldn't require a completely different kind of governance to fully replace the US government
It's weird though - the few mild libs in my life have seemed weirdly at ease with me saying things like, "This is one of the worst possible solutions, and we would still literally be safer if we took every cops guns and distributed them to every prisoner." I think a lot of them feel a strong dissonance about our justice system
No worries Comrade, no offense taken.
Fwiw I do think that broad decriminalization could work in the context of a country that actually gives a shit about the wellbeing of its people. In the US context though? Even if decriminalization could pass into law you'd never be able to get enough people on board to fund the necessary social/medical support systems to make it work.
Honestly, no notes. Any time the libs in my life want to talk policy with me - virtually any policy toward improving things, since today's greatest problems are the ones that capital is invested in maximizing - the issue of dismantling the Great Satan and the drawing the rest of the owl implied in that become the first part of any proposal
So, I don't tend to make proposals anymore so much as just eroding their sense that the US is the best country, then that it's at least a decent country, then that it's at least not an especially bad country like the CSA or Nazi Germany. It's gone okay, but I think real erosion is a good bit faster
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