Even some socialists I know are weirdly pro-drug enforcement now.
That's what 0 material analysis does to a mf. Yes, you can say hard drugs do hurt the most vulnerable in our society. But so is enforcing the ban. Damn, we live in capitalist society, bourgeoisie is the ruling class. Hostile ruling class. If something is implemented it will be implemented exactly in a way that will benefit them. We don't have control over it.
I'm not saying there is nothing we can do, or shouldn't discuss it. What i'm saying is that hard drug use is a huge systemic issue you can't solve by being vaguely pro/anti. Having a comprehensive plan is actually a good thing, at very least for propaganda purposes. It might even help with socialist construction after the revolution. But don't assume you can just pull a policy from your ideal dream communist society inside your head into the real world for bourgeois government to implement and expect a good result.
What if I told you that the Americans created the cartels like the British propped up the opium trade? I am team legalized coca sure, but at the end of the day there is a reason why the hard stuff and real drug pushers aren’t welcome in Cuba.
Cocaine is a very hard drug my dude. I've seen people lose their lives on it . But not because of the drug but the capitalist duty tax burden X10. on a product that is essentially leaf extract.
idk man kind of drunk
Mao handled the issue with a combination of supported rehab for addicts and execution of drug dealers (although if I remember correctly this was only the dealers who refused to turn on their organisation). Although it is also worth pointing out that the drug triads of 1940's China were essentially warlords and aren't very comparable to US drug dealers and the production of opium in China was undermining food growth
It is also the case that Chinese drug laws are not very different to Singapore's drug laws
Not sure what you mean by that. I'm saying you shouldn't trust govs to handle social issues in favor of proletariat. Not that you shouldn't shoot drug lords under any circumstances.
In order to shoot drug lords, you have to be willing to kill their hired guns. Let’s not be naive. You have to treat them all like fascists if they don’t submit.
This has very little to do with what i said, but i'll bite.
If we're talking about a particular law enforcement operation by a theoretical socialist state, then here is not that many people would be willing to die in a last stand against a whole country's forces. No amount of drug money will change that. You need to be alive to spend them, after all. The only ones who would be willing to do that are people who will to face the same punishment as hypothetical drug lord. We shouldn't bolster their ranks by going overboard here. Whatever you meant class politics or some idea of justice, i think you taking it too abstractly. We should consider particular effects of our theoretical policies too.
That's what 0 material analysis does to a mf. Yes, you can say hard drugs do hurt the most vulnerable in our society. But so is enforcing the ban. Damn, we live in capitalist society, bourgeoisie is the ruling class. Hostile ruling class. If something is implemented it will be implemented exactly in a way that will benefit them. We don't have control over it.
I'm not saying there is nothing we can do, or shouldn't discuss it. What i'm saying is that hard drug use is a huge systemic issue you can't solve by being vaguely pro/anti. Having a comprehensive plan is actually a good thing, at very least for propaganda purposes. It might even help with socialist construction after the revolution. But don't assume you can just pull a policy from your ideal dream communist society inside your head into the real world for bourgeois government to implement and expect a good result.
Look up how China handles this issue
There is definitely no material conditions of a century of humiliation that wouldnt affect a country like that now would it?
What if I told you that the Americans created the cartels like the British propped up the opium trade? I am team legalized coca sure, but at the end of the day there is a reason why the hard stuff and real drug pushers aren’t welcome in Cuba.
Cocaine is a very hard drug my dude. I've seen people lose their lives on it . But not because of the drug but the capitalist duty tax burden X10. on a product that is essentially leaf extract. idk man kind of drunk
I understood them with Coca, as coca leaves.
So many casualties of the conditions set upon them
Mao handled the issue with a combination of supported rehab for addicts and execution of drug dealers (although if I remember correctly this was only the dealers who refused to turn on their organisation). Although it is also worth pointing out that the drug triads of 1940's China were essentially warlords and aren't very comparable to US drug dealers and the production of opium in China was undermining food growth
It is also the case that Chinese drug laws are not very different to Singapore's drug laws
It is 100% like that with drugs dealers in Mexico
Mexico doesn't have a death penalty and it's kind of stopped a lot of justice
I think Maos guys did the right thing
It's a complex issue but killing Bougie Chapos ... God why did they name is chapotraphouse ...plus on drugs too 🤌
Not sure what you mean by that. I'm saying you shouldn't trust
govs to handle social issues in favor of proletariat. Not that you shouldn't shoot drug lords under any circumstances.
In order to shoot drug lords, you have to be willing to kill their hired guns. Let’s not be naive. You have to treat them all like fascists if they don’t submit.
This has very little to do with what i said, but i'll bite.
If we're talking about a particular law enforcement operation by a theoretical socialist state, then here is not that many people would be willing to die in a last stand against a whole country's forces. No amount of drug money will change that. You need to be alive to spend them, after all. The only ones who would be willing to do that are people who will to face the same punishment as hypothetical drug lord. We shouldn't bolster their ranks by going overboard here. Whatever you meant class politics or some idea of justice, i think you taking it too abstractly. We should consider particular effects of our theoretical policies too.
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