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    • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Ok and? Safe injection sites still drastically reduce overdose deaths, HIV infections and are a critical waypoint to drug rehabilitation

      • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Ok and?

        The guy I'm responding to is bringing up negative reaction to safe injection sites. I am pointing out a material reason for why this might be. Most people are opposed to being randomly shot.

        • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          And this is a consequence of general poverty caused by the material conditions of capitalism not of safe injection sites.

          Saying “most people are opposed to crime” as a defense of reactionary beliefs and the removal of safety protocols is a lowhanded way to support pro-police “tough on crime” propaganda.

            • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              So then what is your policy proposal for this then?

              Increased police presence? Shut down of safe injection sites? Because I'm seeing a lot of disingenuous "concerns" and appeals to public opinion but zero actual calls to action

              • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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                1 year ago

                I dont have a solution. The topic is the shifting view of the war on drugs and attitudes towards safe injection sites came up. I described the public reaction, and negative reactions from otherwise left or liberal individuals, as I've seen them.

                • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  I described the public reaction, and negative reactions from otherwise left or liberal individuals, as I've seen them.

                  For what reason? We are all aware of them, this is neither new nor groundbreaking information especially when you frame it as a "people do not wish to be around criminality" style of concern trolling we expect out of tough on crime liberals and conservatives.

                  This is even worse considering you literally do not have any idea on how to address it besides just bringing up the opposition of right wing liberals and conservatives to effective strategies to reducing addiction and addiction related deaths as a means to....what? Appeal to consensus? As if just because liberals and conservatives think a thing is a bad we must cede ground to it out of fear of bad optics?

                  Like the entirety of a communist/socialist project is unpopular to these people, and yet here we are on a website that explicitly in support of it.

                    • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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                      1 year ago

                      taking part in the discussion same as you

                      This is doubtful at best.

                      You haven’t engaged in anything anyone has said besides stating what everyone already knows about liberals and conservative opinions about drug treatment.

                      Stating over and over again that libs and cons are against “criminality” while bringing up unprompted a random shooting in Toronto is city subreddit level of uselessness.

                      You’ve refused to engage in pressing the matter into the realm of action or solution and continue to obfuscate, about what should be done.

                      Do you want more police presence to address addiction or not?

                      Do you wish to continue safe injection sites or not?

                      What is the correct method of addressing the current health crisis of addiction?

                      And what are the material consequences of continuing the War on Drugs as you and other liberals wish to see it followed through?

        • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          The reaction I've seen isn't "people might get shot," it's "people shouldn't be allowed to consume illegal substances without legal consequences."

          • Riffraffintheroom [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Not once have I ever seen that reaction. The most common complaint is the spread of used needles into nearby parks and gardens, which is an objective reality. Clinic workers do their best to clean them up but they cant find them all and they're not allowed to go on private property to get at them.