They can keep fomenting unrest that spills over the border while still maintaining plausible deniability, much like how they legally recognize one country two systems in regard to Taiwan while ratcheting up tension in the region with the navy.
I would agree with the statement quoted earlier if the word "actively" was replaced with "openly".
You're delusional if you think the "international community" (i.e. the West) wouldn't support Ukraine against Russia no matter what. The facts don't matter, if Russia had to respond to a literal attack they'd still be calling it an "unprovoked act of aggression" and sending Ukraine cluster bombs.
And again the proposal here, deporting ethnic Russians from their homelands in the Donbass, is just categorically bad. Plus the "international community" would condemn it as Russia "kidnapping Ukrainian citizens".
By giving into this one demand you put the fascists in the position where any further escalation is purely on them. If they stupidly took the bait in that situation the international community would be totally opposed to them, and not shipping them cluster bombs.
i.e. if they escalated against Russia and Russia responded. It's the same action from Russia, just under slightly different circumstances. The West would have treated it the exact same way.
As hawkish as the yanks are I think they're smart enough to not actively support Nazi paramilitaries doing border raids on a nuclear power. If you put Azov in the position where they're the aggressor I highly doubt they'd be getting much if any support from the west.
Azov spent 8 years being the aggressor and it didn't dampen US support of them at all.
They condemned that dumbass military adventure where a bunch of mercs drove across the border in armored trucks just to get blown up by Russian helicopters, and subsequently the media ghouls barely talked about it
You're contradicting yourself here. The US didn't condemn it they just didn't talk about it. Now the US is talking about providing Ukraine and it's far-right paramilitaries with cluster bombs. That seems like support to me, actual material support and not just cheering on a failed invasion.
That's slop for hogs, it's just there to keep the American people docile. It doesn't have any immediate effects on the American state.
Propaganda does have long-term effects on American elites, you can see the effects that its had on them over the many years. Heck, just compare HW Bush and Dubya Bush. However, this isn't the propaganda's intended purpose.
Sure but we're still in pure propaganda territory. You haven't shown that there's an actual material change in US support. You would need to show me some sort of change or reduction in actual material US support to convince me. Ukraine has attacked the Kerch Bridge and sent raids and artillery into Belgorad without the US doing more than tut-tuting. Ukraine continues to strike Donetsk City with artillery, despite Russia recognizing them as being independent at the start of the war. Russia then annexed Donetsk, making it legal Russian territory and the artillery attacks still continued. The entire spring offensive has been into Russian-annexed territory and it's had no effect on US/NATO support. The only thing that is effecting US support is depletion and self-preservation for the US. I don't know where you're getting this idea that Russia could have pulled off some kind of weird political trick to make US propaganda work against its own interests.
lmao I hope this is sarcasm.
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How do you think those Nazi paramilitaries got there?
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They can keep fomenting unrest that spills over the border while still maintaining plausible deniability, much like how they legally recognize one country two systems in regard to Taiwan while ratcheting up tension in the region with the navy.
I would agree with the statement quoted earlier if the word "actively" was replaced with "openly".
You're delusional if you think the "international community" (i.e. the West) wouldn't support Ukraine against Russia no matter what. The facts don't matter, if Russia had to respond to a literal attack they'd still be calling it an "unprovoked act of aggression" and sending Ukraine cluster bombs.
And again the proposal here, deporting ethnic Russians from their homelands in the Donbass, is just categorically bad. Plus the "international community" would condemn it as Russia "kidnapping Ukrainian citizens".
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i.e. if they escalated against Russia and Russia responded. It's the same action from Russia, just under slightly different circumstances. The West would have treated it the exact same way.
Azov spent 8 years being the aggressor and it didn't dampen US support of them at all.
You're contradicting yourself here. The US didn't condemn it they just didn't talk about it. Now the US is talking about providing Ukraine and it's far-right paramilitaries with cluster bombs. That seems like support to me, actual material support and not just cheering on a failed invasion.
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Who gives a shit about media coverage if the US continues to provide weapons to the guys who did the border raid?
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That's slop for hogs, it's just there to keep the American people docile. It doesn't have any immediate effects on the American state.
Propaganda does have long-term effects on American elites, you can see the effects that its had on them over the many years. Heck, just compare HW Bush and Dubya Bush. However, this isn't the propaganda's intended purpose.
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Sure but we're still in pure propaganda territory. You haven't shown that there's an actual material change in US support. You would need to show me some sort of change or reduction in actual material US support to convince me. Ukraine has attacked the Kerch Bridge and sent raids and artillery into Belgorad without the US doing more than tut-tuting. Ukraine continues to strike Donetsk City with artillery, despite Russia recognizing them as being independent at the start of the war. Russia then annexed Donetsk, making it legal Russian territory and the artillery attacks still continued. The entire spring offensive has been into Russian-annexed territory and it's had no effect on US/NATO support. The only thing that is effecting US support is depletion and self-preservation for the US. I don't know where you're getting this idea that Russia could have pulled off some kind of weird political trick to make US propaganda work against its own interests.