It's very rarely against the initial propaganda push that the socialists win anything, not in WW1, not in Vietnam, not in Iraq. The idea that "We were supposed to have learned our lesson post-9/11, but everyone fucking forgot it" strikes me as a bit naive for pretty much that reason. Stupid wars are not new, there have been many before and none of those suddenly made the entire population permanently realise what's going on. Foreign policy issues have never been the main draw of socialism in the imperial core anyway, because why would they be? The main harm done by imperialism isn't done within the imperial core. People didn't become socialists in the UK because they opposed the British Empire nor did they in France because they opposed the French Empire or in Russia because they opposed Tsarist imperialism.
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It's very rarely against the initial propaganda push that the socialists win anything, not in WW1, not in Vietnam, not in Iraq. The idea that "We were supposed to have learned our lesson post-9/11, but everyone fucking forgot it" strikes me as a bit naive for pretty much that reason. Stupid wars are not new, there have been many before and none of those suddenly made the entire population permanently realise what's going on. Foreign policy issues have never been the main draw of socialism in the imperial core anyway, because why would they be? The main harm done by imperialism isn't done within the imperial core. People didn't become socialists in the UK because they opposed the British Empire nor did they in France because they opposed the French Empire or in Russia because they opposed Tsarist imperialism.
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