truly disgusting behaviour on behalf of this sites users. utterly disappointing. trash like that compromise the entire purpose of the community. sub-human filth who would rather scold those in difficult situations than extend a helping hand. quintessential liberal behaviour. those who have never truly struggled in life and do not care for those who have, yet put on the mask of allyship as if their intentions are to aid when their intentions are to admonish. these people are not worth the air they breathe. please do not allow the dirty words of these demons to bother you. especially when you're the kind of person who would receive a donation of that scale and still use it to help others. I would like to see any liberals plan for how any lump sum payment could uplift somebody out of homelessness. these liberals are obsessed with fantasies of noble White Men pulling themselves up by their boot straps. they're incapable of seeing reality. they're delusional, holier than thou monsters.
that's how i see it.
to scold someone in a more difficult position than oneself is such a disgusting act. it fills me with rage. you've done nothing wrong. that's the simple truth.
I agree with the sentiment, but "demons" and "sub-human filth"? Yes, these people probably have no concept of their situation but talking like that isn't doing anything to convince them they're wrong or to see things from a different point of view.
how any lump sum payment could uplift somebody out of homelessness.
it can certainly happen but the stars have to align on a very single clear cause. I helped a migrant family like a month ago who got pulled over with a gun in the car, which made the county impound it until they could pay $2k to get it back. Doordash was their only source of income so they couldn't pay rent and no longer could sleep in their car either. Local jail support org was able to get them a couple days of hotel while we tried and failed to get their car back with bribes, and ultimately I and some other contributors were able to give them like $600 for their first month's rent in another state. At that point they almost immediately found two under-the-table jobs and became self-sustaining. They're probably still precarious but at least they're housed now. Really nice folks with a cute toddler.
But the thing is they had good connections in the immigrant community which allowed them to get an apartment without proof of income, and to quickly get those jobs. Two adults getting min wage can make rent so they literally just needed the starting capital. It's harder for a person on their own because the kinds of job you can get at a moment's notice generally don't pay enough to live without a roommate. Idk I think that all we can say is that allthetimesivedied needed something other than $4k - maybe just more capital, maybe a different kind of thing.
trash like that compromise the entire purpose of the community
Mods do not vet individual mutual aid requests. Donate at your own risk and hold each other accountable.
That's rule one of this community. How exactly do we "hold each other accountable" if not by calling into question the sincerity of long-time users who have received thousands of dollars from this comm and still come back asking for more?
edit: and just to add, part of the reason im invested is I have given OP money. On multiple occasions. Not small amounts of it either. Hours of my life, spent working. I have absolutely no problem "extending a helping hand." It sucks to see that OP would rather use that money for drugs than to shower. I know that that's what addiction is like, and I know it's not so much a conscious choice as a compulsion. But more money isn't going to help with that. OP has to fundamentally change the way they are approaching life and the money that they are given before giving them money is going to help anything.
11 days ago, OP had over $1000. now OP is asking for $20 to buy food. what happened to the $1000? where did it go? how in the world can they possibly not have $20 left? it does not sound sincere. and when people ask them where these thousands of dollars are going, they get vague answers about "hundreds of dollars to doordash" and then they get cursed out.
I mean, I fucked up pretty bad. I could’ve gotten a car or something. I thought this would be what turns things around for me. A once in a lifetime occurrence, all fucked up. I was set up for failure before I was even born, but so were a lot of people who know how to responsibly handle $4,000.
To be realistic 4k isn't all that much money and whomever gifted you was obviously well off enough that it wasn't a big deal to them to drop it on a stranger. It certainly wasn't enough to get a good car with the way prices are now on used ones, or so I hear.
not a good car but a car, unless the market is locally fucked in Portland. In Chicago for instance I see several 07-09 Sentras with ~120k for $3k on Facebook Marketplace which would get you from A to B for a couple years. Nicer than my last car, there's probably some $2k shitboxes still
They way people were making it out in the thread OP told us about her getting gifted the money people were saying that money still wouldn't be enough. My point is we can sit here and heap blame and make her feel worse than she already does or be realistic about the situation and try to see a way forward, I think. I still come back to her best bet being set up with some sort of rehab to halfway house pipeline that could involve social services. A lot of hw houses have work programs that shuttle you back and forth and could be a way to make up some savings to get into an apartment. Spitballing ideas ofc but that's what I keep coming back to. I wanted to do something similar to this myself at one point.
yeah I think housing first usually. car as housing was a reasonable idea, I'm not gonna knock the plan too much, but clearly it didn't work. IMO it is actually kind of hard to buy a cheap car that works on a tight timeline. Especially because budget wasn't $4k, it was like $2k. Needed to be enough left over to pay for gas/insurance/repairs/parking tickets until she was able to get a paycheck. Takes a lot of time on the internet, multiple meetups, negotiation, possibility of getting robbed, etc. I think calendar time 2 weeks last time I bought a shitbox, and the clock is ticking at $90+ a day if you're in an SRO hotel or something.
I have no experience with halfway houses and stuff, every institution that theoretically gives people free housing that I've interacted with here has been pretty bad unfortunately
I have no experience with halfway houses and stuff, all my contact with institutions that theoretically give people free housing has been pretty bad unfortunately
They can be hit or miss from what I've gathered. You can luck out and find a good one or one run by assholes. Obviously you gotta be sober to stay in them though, hence why I recommended rehab first. The way I've always seen it broken down is most people come from rehab or prison to a halfway house. Not sure if they take people otherwise, might be worth looking into.
They got like 18 upbears and people commenting in agreement.
truly disgusting behaviour on behalf of this sites users. utterly disappointing. trash like that compromise the entire purpose of the community. sub-human filth who would rather scold those in difficult situations than extend a helping hand. quintessential liberal behaviour. those who have never truly struggled in life and do not care for those who have, yet put on the mask of allyship as if their intentions are to aid when their intentions are to admonish. these people are not worth the air they breathe. please do not allow the dirty words of these demons to bother you. especially when you're the kind of person who would receive a donation of that scale and still use it to help others. I would like to see any liberals plan for how any lump sum payment could uplift somebody out of homelessness. these liberals are obsessed with fantasies of noble White Men pulling themselves up by their boot straps. they're incapable of seeing reality. they're delusional, holier than thou monsters.
that's how i see it.
to scold someone in a more difficult position than oneself is such a disgusting act. it fills me with rage. you've done nothing wrong. that's the simple truth.
I agree with the sentiment, but "demons" and "sub-human filth"? Yes, these people probably have no concept of their situation but talking like that isn't doing anything to convince them they're wrong or to see things from a different point of view.
it can certainly happen but the stars have to align on a very single clear cause. I helped a migrant family like a month ago who got pulled over with a gun in the car, which made the county impound it until they could pay $2k to get it back. Doordash was their only source of income so they couldn't pay rent and no longer could sleep in their car either. Local jail support org was able to get them a couple days of hotel while we tried and failed to get their car back with bribes, and ultimately I and some other contributors were able to give them like $600 for their first month's rent in another state. At that point they almost immediately found two under-the-table jobs and became self-sustaining. They're probably still precarious but at least they're housed now. Really nice folks with a cute toddler.
But the thing is they had good connections in the immigrant community which allowed them to get an apartment without proof of income, and to quickly get those jobs. Two adults getting min wage can make rent so they literally just needed the starting capital. It's harder for a person on their own because the kinds of job you can get at a moment's notice generally don't pay enough to live without a roommate. Idk I think that all we can say is that allthetimesivedied needed something other than $4k - maybe just more capital, maybe a different kind of thing.
That's rule one of this community. How exactly do we "hold each other accountable" if not by calling into question the sincerity of long-time users who have received thousands of dollars from this comm and still come back asking for more?
edit: and just to add, part of the reason im invested is I have given OP money. On multiple occasions. Not small amounts of it either. Hours of my life, spent working. I have absolutely no problem "extending a helping hand." It sucks to see that OP would rather use that money for drugs than to shower. I know that that's what addiction is like, and I know it's not so much a conscious choice as a compulsion. But more money isn't going to help with that. OP has to fundamentally change the way they are approaching life and the money that they are given before giving them money is going to help anything.
11 days ago, OP had over $1000. now OP is asking for $20 to buy food. what happened to the $1000? where did it go? how in the world can they possibly not have $20 left? it does not sound sincere. and when people ask them where these thousands of dollars are going, they get vague answers about "hundreds of dollars to doordash" and then they get cursed out.
ghoul.
enabler.
I mean, I fucked up pretty bad. I could’ve gotten a car or something. I thought this would be what turns things around for me. A once in a lifetime occurrence, all fucked up. I was set up for failure before I was even born, but so were a lot of people who know how to responsibly handle $4,000.
To be realistic 4k isn't all that much money and whomever gifted you was obviously well off enough that it wasn't a big deal to them to drop it on a stranger. It certainly wasn't enough to get a good car with the way prices are now on used ones, or so I hear.
not a good car but a car, unless the market is locally fucked in Portland. In Chicago for instance I see several 07-09 Sentras with ~120k for $3k on Facebook Marketplace which would get you from A to B for a couple years. Nicer than my last car, there's probably some $2k shitboxes still
They way people were making it out in the thread OP told us about her getting gifted the money people were saying that money still wouldn't be enough. My point is we can sit here and heap blame and make her feel worse than she already does or be realistic about the situation and try to see a way forward, I think. I still come back to her best bet being set up with some sort of rehab to halfway house pipeline that could involve social services. A lot of hw houses have work programs that shuttle you back and forth and could be a way to make up some savings to get into an apartment. Spitballing ideas ofc but that's what I keep coming back to. I wanted to do something similar to this myself at one point.
yeah I think housing first usually. car as housing was a reasonable idea, I'm not gonna knock the plan too much, but clearly it didn't work. IMO it is actually kind of hard to buy a cheap car that works on a tight timeline. Especially because budget wasn't $4k, it was like $2k. Needed to be enough left over to pay for gas/insurance/repairs/parking tickets until she was able to get a paycheck. Takes a lot of time on the internet, multiple meetups, negotiation, possibility of getting robbed, etc. I think calendar time 2 weeks last time I bought a shitbox, and the clock is ticking at $90+ a day if you're in an SRO hotel or something.
I have no experience with halfway houses and stuff, every institution that theoretically gives people free housing that I've interacted with here has been pretty bad unfortunately
They can be hit or miss from what I've gathered. You can luck out and find a good one or one run by assholes. Obviously you gotta be sober to stay in them though, hence why I recommended rehab first. The way I've always seen it broken down is most people come from rehab or prison to a halfway house. Not sure if they take people otherwise, might be worth looking into.