Ren Zhiqiang, a retired real-estate tycoon with close ties to senior Chinese officials, disappeared in March after he allegedly penned a scathing essay criticizing President Xi Jinping's response to the coronavirus epidemic.
i mean the lack of such reform and integration would have probably lead to the complete collapse of the cpc and the end of prc so i would say the engagement was necessary and objectively put china in a much better position in the end. the necessity of this to develop rapidly and compete with western capitalist interests and not get overrun by them is apparent enough. theres certainly contradictions and its obviously something many people in china still want to resolve but what i said is the reason for it, which simply put is that it favors the very real material gains of the country. whether or not you agree or think its a good strategy is a different story i guess.
also i think you misunderstood what i said. i meant theyre not creating open antagonism as in against capitalist elements and people engaging in them by just seizing all their wealth or something (which they still do sometimes). but theyre not strictly threatening and scaring off capitalist investment and engagement per say
the necessity of this to develop rapidly and compete with western capitalist interests
This ignores that it’s entirely possible to develop under a planned economy. It’s not a necessity to embrace capitalism to get development especially as we’re at/past the end of global capitalism as a force that can develop the productive forces.
Also saying that the pros outweigh the cons is not to say the cons don’t exist. Among the cons of capitalism is the exploitation of workers (as a feature, really), and surely you explicitly take this into account?
I think everyone knows the cons exist. i dont mean to be harsh but you're not the only person in the world who's ever thought about this or reached some sort of conclusion no one else has ever been able to. Unless you've spent years of your life studying China and the many complexities of its past and present and have a deep understanding of its society and economy, I would wager some humility is probably needed here and beseech some trust on the comrades in China who are well aware of all this and much more at a much more fundamental level than you or I ever could be. I'm not sure arguments on an online forum are conducive towards much other than giving people migraines.
Unless you’ve spent years of your life studying China and the many complexities of its past and present and have a deep understanding of its society and economy
Lol. I’m not even making points about China above I’m making general points about planned economies as vehicles for development and about capitalism as a set of social and economic relationships that involves the exploitation of a working class by an owning class. Unless you’re saying that China is such a “complex” place that capitalism functions against its nature there, clearly this is bullshit.
i mean the lack of such reform and integration would have probably lead to the complete collapse of the cpc and the end of prc so i would say the engagement was necessary and objectively put china in a much better position in the end. the necessity of this to develop rapidly and compete with western capitalist interests and not get overrun by them is apparent enough. theres certainly contradictions and its obviously something many people in china still want to resolve but what i said is the reason for it, which simply put is that it favors the very real material gains of the country. whether or not you agree or think its a good strategy is a different story i guess.
also i think you misunderstood what i said. i meant theyre not creating open antagonism as in against capitalist elements and people engaging in them by just seizing all their wealth or something (which they still do sometimes). but theyre not strictly threatening and scaring off capitalist investment and engagement per say
This ignores that it’s entirely possible to develop under a planned economy. It’s not a necessity to embrace capitalism to get development especially as we’re at/past the end of global capitalism as a force that can develop the productive forces.
Also saying that the pros outweigh the cons is not to say the cons don’t exist. Among the cons of capitalism is the exploitation of workers (as a feature, really), and surely you explicitly take this into account?
I think everyone knows the cons exist. i dont mean to be harsh but you're not the only person in the world who's ever thought about this or reached some sort of conclusion no one else has ever been able to. Unless you've spent years of your life studying China and the many complexities of its past and present and have a deep understanding of its society and economy, I would wager some humility is probably needed here and beseech some trust on the comrades in China who are well aware of all this and much more at a much more fundamental level than you or I ever could be. I'm not sure arguments on an online forum are conducive towards much other than giving people migraines.
Lol. I’m not even making points about China above I’m making general points about planned economies as vehicles for development and about capitalism as a set of social and economic relationships that involves the exploitation of a working class by an owning class. Unless you’re saying that China is such a “complex” place that capitalism functions against its nature there, clearly this is bullshit.
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