cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140

Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true

  • traveler01@lemdro.id
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    11 months ago

    Leftist is quite wide of a political side no? Also I’m very sure many Ukrainians have enough bad memories from communism to want to ban it. If we ban nazism because it’s an ideology that caused the death of millions, we should also ban communism.

    • jackmarxist [any]
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      11 months ago

      Nazism is not banned in Ukraine though.Their national hero is a nazi who participated in the Holocaust.

      It's insane that Ukraine worships Bandera who was an actual Nazi while actually decent Ukrainian Revolutionaries like Makhno are forgotten.

    • Dr. Jenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube
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      11 months ago

      That's a false equivalency. Genocide is core to Nazi ideology. And communism didn't cause the death of millions any more than capitalism caused the deaths of millions. It gets pretty messy when you try and attribute unintentional deaths to an economic system. And frankly, kind of gross when you conflate unintentional deaths with the very deliberate and systematic execution of people.

    • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/574eb599-dd4d-49cb-8991-780902d6865f.png

      If we ban nazism because it’s an ideology that caused the death of millions, we should also ban communism.

      This is soft holocaust denial. There was never a holocaust equivalent that communists did. For that matter there was never a genocide of the Americas that communist countries did.

            • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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              11 months ago

              My other comment:

              The holodomor was made into a genocide by hearst press, which was a nazi publication run by a nazi who literally met with Hitler to discuss pr strategy. When it first made its rounds in the US it became obvious that it was a fraudulent story. And now people are believing nazi propaganda that people in 1930s America (which was pretty supportive of nazism) saw through pretty quickly.

              The famine was terrible, and there was incompetence abound, but after the soviet archives were unsealed even people like anti-communist historian Robert Conquest reversed their position on whether it was a genocide.

              Comparing this to the murder of 11 million people that the nazis considered subhuman is disgusting.

              • traveler01@lemdro.id
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                11 months ago

                Your text is quite on level with Holocaust deniers. It's astonishing how much the communism promises of utopias can wash such horrors.

      • Altomes@lemm.ee
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        11 months ago

        I don’t usually jump in here but I’d disagree that the USA hasn’t genocided the indigenous peoples of this hemisphere

      • Surface_Detail@lemmy.ml
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        11 months ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

        They killed a full quarter of their own country. Not in a neglectful kind of way, but full on mass executions, killing fields, concentration camps kind of way.

        Pretty comparable, if you ask me.

        • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          The cambodian genocide was carried out by fascists who were supported by the US and shitty Chinese policy. They were crushed by socialist vietnamese soldiers.

          Pol pot claimed to be socialist. The nazis called themselves the national socialist party, and we all know based on their record that was a lie, as communists, socialists, and trade unionists were their biggest domestic enemies. Next you'll blame the holocaust on socialists, despite the socialists being in the camps. Don't be so credulous.

          Edit: also, the US killed many Cambodians with mass bombings during the same era, which is a fun fact that is relevant given the fascists there were allied with the US government as they carried out their mass killings.

        • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          The holodomor was made into a genocide by hearst press, which was a nazi publication run by a nazi who literally met with Hitler to discuss pr strategy. When it first made its rounds in the US it became obvious that it was a fraudulent story. And now people are believing nazi propaganda that people in 1930s America (which was pretty supportive of nazism) saw through pretty quickly.

          The famine was terrible, and there was incompetence abound, but after the soviet archives were unsealed even people like anti-communist historian Robert Conquest reversed their position on whether it was a genocide.

          Comparing this to the murder of 11 million people that the nazis considered subhuman is disgusting.

          • rockerface@lemm.ee
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            11 months ago

            Ok, gotcha. So the line at which the ideology is considered bad enough to be banned is below Holocaust, but above Holodomor. Nice to see it quantified