- cross-posted to:
- moretankie196@lemmygrad.ml
- cross-posted to:
- moretankie196@lemmygrad.ml
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140
Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true
You must log in or register to comment.
I support any country's right to not be conquered by capitalist, imperialist oligarchs whether I like their internal politics or not. I hate it when the US does it, so it would be hypocritical to not hate it when Russia does the same thing.
Yup, I was opposed to the U.S.'s imperialist war for oil in Iraq. Just like I oppose Russia's imperialist war for oil in Ukraine.
Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don't quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.
I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia's largest export after all.
All of that isn't meant to excuse Russia; it's unethical to murder for oil. But it's intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.
It's really not hard to understand. Ukraine discovered huge gas deposits in Donbass, which threatened Muskovy's ability to control the price like they wanted. There was no US coup, and the horrors inflicted have been from Muskovy.
Google "Jewish scholars double genocide myth" and be ashamed you'd ever use the phrase "red fash" and then do better.
How does this antisemitism always show up in anticommunism? /s
Shocking; redfash tries to silence their critics by accusing them of antisemitism with no justification or support whatsoever. Typical red herring from someone who has no real argument.
Shocking: anti-communist denies allegations of anti-semitism while repeating nazi propaganda (Google "Jewish scholar double genocide theory" for more info on why equating communism and nazism carries water for nazis)
- straw man, bc I never claimed double genocide, and 2) just bc double genocide can be used by Nazis doesn't mean it isn't true. Dialectics has really rotted your brain, comrade
You're equating communists and fascists by calling communists red fash. You're doing a double genocide theory rhetoric.
No, I'm calling communists what they are: fascists. You extrapolated the rest in your head and argued against it, i.e. a straw man. Dialectics at its finest
I'm a Leftist who isn't a Communist. There's lots of room on the Left.
Yes, lots of us live in reality and don't try and convince others a utopian society is in any way possible.
Siri what is capitalist realism? Also Marxism is literally a materialist ideology, non-marxist leftists generally follow more utopian ideology.
The Smurfs were communist... though to be fair there was only 100 of them, and they all had jobs, and enough resources to go around. That one female though...
In the lore she was created by Gargamel as a trap to lure the Smurf village.
given the circumstances and how these commie parties are aligned with their invaders, it's fair game
Leftist is quite wide of a political side no? Also I’m very sure many Ukrainians have enough bad memories from communism to want to ban it. If we ban nazism because it’s an ideology that caused the death of millions, we should also ban communism.
Nazism is not banned in Ukraine though.Their national hero is a nazi who participated in the Holocaust.
It's insane that Ukraine worships Bandera who was an actual Nazi while actually decent Ukrainian Revolutionaries like Makhno are forgotten.
That's a false equivalency. Genocide is core to Nazi ideology. And communism didn't cause the death of millions any more than capitalism caused the deaths of millions. It gets pretty messy when you try and attribute unintentional deaths to an economic system. And frankly, kind of gross when you conflate unintentional deaths with the very deliberate and systematic execution of people.
https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/574eb599-dd4d-49cb-8991-780902d6865f.png
If we ban nazism because it’s an ideology that caused the death of millions, we should also ban communism.
This is soft holocaust denial. There was never a holocaust equivalent that communists did. For that matter there was never a genocide of the Americas that communist countries did.
Well if it is on Wikipedia it must be accurate. /s See my other comments in this thread.
My other comment:
The holodomor was made into a genocide by hearst press, which was a nazi publication run by a nazi who literally met with Hitler to discuss pr strategy. When it first made its rounds in the US it became obvious that it was a fraudulent story. And now people are believing nazi propaganda that people in 1930s America (which was pretty supportive of nazism) saw through pretty quickly.
The famine was terrible, and there was incompetence abound, but after the soviet archives were unsealed even people like anti-communist historian Robert Conquest reversed their position on whether it was a genocide.
Comparing this to the murder of 11 million people that the nazis considered subhuman is disgusting.
Your text is quite on level with Holocaust deniers. It's astonishing how much the communism promises of utopias can wash such horrors.
I don’t usually jump in here but I’d disagree that the USA hasn’t genocided the indigenous peoples of this hemisphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide
They killed a full quarter of their own country. Not in a neglectful kind of way, but full on mass executions, killing fields, concentration camps kind of way.
Pretty comparable, if you ask me.
The cambodian genocide was carried out by fascists who were supported by the US and shitty Chinese policy. They were crushed by socialist vietnamese soldiers.
Pol pot claimed to be socialist. The nazis called themselves the national socialist party, and we all know based on their record that was a lie, as communists, socialists, and trade unionists were their biggest domestic enemies. Next you'll blame the holocaust on socialists, despite the socialists being in the camps. Don't be so credulous.
Edit: also, the US killed many Cambodians with mass bombings during the same era, which is a fun fact that is relevant given the fascists there were allied with the US government as they carried out their mass killings.
The holodomor was made into a genocide by hearst press, which was a nazi publication run by a nazi who literally met with Hitler to discuss pr strategy. When it first made its rounds in the US it became obvious that it was a fraudulent story. And now people are believing nazi propaganda that people in 1930s America (which was pretty supportive of nazism) saw through pretty quickly.
The famine was terrible, and there was incompetence abound, but after the soviet archives were unsealed even people like anti-communist historian Robert Conquest reversed their position on whether it was a genocide.
Comparing this to the murder of 11 million people that the nazis considered subhuman is disgusting.
Ok, gotcha. So the line at which the ideology is considered bad enough to be banned is below Holocaust, but above Holodomor. Nice to see it quantified
No, a party residing over a famine is not the line at which we should dismiss an ideology.
As they should be; communism is just another hateful ideology pretending to be left
I am hoping by "communists" you mean people who are aligned with marxism ideal, but not people supporting authoritarian capitalist regimes.
