Seems like most of y’all just think that since the “capitalist” countries are run by corrupt power hungry pricks that means the “communist” countries must be the good guys.
They’re all run by power hungry billionaires and you’re all being played.
(All the “” are cuz no country is run by anyone who follows the religions i mean economic theories, they’re all run by power hungry people who use the people and pit them against eachother to distract from the fact were dying and working for cults)
inb4 the ban hammer (and sickle?) drops on me
lmao you just proved my point. you will repeat some sus shit a piece of shit says\does as long as its targeted towards your "other"
You've been engaging in bad faith for days, dog. Nobody owes you shit when you're coming at our throats from the get-go with unsourced bullshit claims and accusations.
days?
also yeah nobody owes me shit, if you think im arguing in bad faith dont "feed the troll" im already getting downvoted to hell block me and move on if you think im "coming at your throat"
ive actually learned a couple things from muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml
Yes, literally days. Have you looked at your own post history? It's indicative of someone with something to prove. Log off or go back to lemmy.
Wonderful. You have not been treating them as an equal, and I'm 100% positive you're not reading their sources either. I'm glad you're learning something, but your reddit memelord shitlib behavior doesn't indicate that whatsoever.
I'm not the one linking racist UK and US rags as evidence that "China bad!!"
Again, why not just admit you know absolutely nothing about China's political system, and actually learn about it from people here?
Have you considered communists dont view the world based on empty platitudes given by leaders and instead assess how well systems work based on actual tangible results?
In this case, china lifted 800 million people out of poverty and went from a literal dirt poort nation to the only nation capable of rivaling the united states in 50 years while simultaneously being treated as a rival enemy nation by the most powerful nations in the world during this time.
Quite typical that reactionaries like you come in with such infantile takes and think you pulled a gotcha when your entire premise for it was wrong in the first place.
In this case, china lifted 800 million people out of poverty and went from a literal dirt poort nation to the only nation capable of rivaling the united states in 50 years while simultaneously being treated as a rival enemy nation by the most powerful nations in the world during this time.
yeah and thats badass. China also prioritizes its peoples health and isn't letting its population become disabled by an infectious disease that can be slowed\stopped if the world cared more about people than profits. I didn't say china is evil tho im saying yall are being manipulated and simping for billionaires who dont care about its people.
and if i point out the fact that it got pulled out of poverty partly by people forced to sleep in factories with suicide nets and concentration camps of minorities (or whatever equivalent shady shit was happening back then) yall cant say "yeah its terrible they're doing that and they shouldn't do that" but instead yall will bring up random shit the US does and go "what about blah blah blah that the US does" like if im in here saying the US is good and call me anticommunist or reactionary or whatever other slur is cool to say in your circles.
Billionaires arent in charge of chinas policy making dipshit, its the exact opposite. Billionaires straight up are prosecuted and more have been executed or imprisoned than any other capitalist nation combined. Thats from western sources who try to use those stats to shit on china.
If the top of the cpc wanted to actually hoard wealth, they would do exactly what russia did at the fall of USSR, privatize everything that was originally for the public and become immediate oligarchs. The cpc does the opposite.
The days of the suicide net factory shit, which btw was american companies exploiting poverty, are long gone. The cpc sides with the laborers over the companies almost everytime in protests. Factory workers in china nowadays can pay off all living expenses and still have half their paycheck left over that month for savings. The same unskilled laborers in the united states need two jobs and still wont be able to save up much if any at all.
A dirt poor nation cant instantly solve all injustices of its people. This is especially true if said nation is under direct attack financially or militarily by much more powerful nations.
Instead of sprouting whatever state media tells you about their geographical rival maybe use your braincells and develop some critical thinking.
You are the living embodiment of a reactionary, making opinions based on perceived character traits of people rather than looking at objective material reality.
Fact is, china is getting stronger and richer at an overwhelming pace to the point of being fearmongered by the united states and its wesrern allies. Fact, china invests their money into more infrustructure for their own people rather than spend it on military expenses and wars. Fact, china doesnt bail out bankers and spend tax payer money to fill the pockets of corporate doners and give them exclusive contracts to leech more money out of their pockets. Fact, china has magnitudes less inflation than western nations.
You are literally looking at all the progress china makes and then going, but china leaders still actually evil and selfish even though so many good things are done. Thats not scientific, that doesnt look at reality through material analysis.
What makes communists communist is their analysis of the world through dialetical materialism, not through some imaginary ideals of what people are thinking or what their human natures are. Nobody here are cultists that worship nations for any reason. All support for these nations are critical, as in if their actions bring positive results to the lives of the people and progress it continuously, then they should be supported.
Or just go back to believing everyones evil and dismiss material reality while you live in your decaying stagnant nations and watch as politicians bail out rich assholes yet again and side with them over the ordinary people time after time and offer only platitudes even though they have the power to change it.
I didn't even say fuck china. I have love for china, the people and the culture are great. i just dont simp for billionaires because they wave my favorite flag like yall do
Luckily China isn't run by billionaires, not sure where you heard that. Your western countries are run by billionaires tho, capitalists stand above your political system.
Is China State Capitalist?
- The backbone of the economy is state ownership and socialist planning. 24 / 25 of the top revenue companies are state-owned and planned. 70% of the top 500 companies are State-owned. 1, 2 The largest bank, construction, electricity, and energy companies in the world, are CPC controlled entities, subject to the 5 year plans laid out by the central committee.
- Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
- Is modern day china communist? Is it staying true to communist values?
- Didn't China go Capitalist with Deng Xiaoping? Didn't it liberalize its economy? Is China's drastic decrease in poverty a result of the increase in free market capitalist policies?
- Is the CPC committed to communism?
- The Long Game and Its Contradictions. Audiobook
- The myth of Chinese state capitalism. Did Deng really betray Chinese socialism?
- Tsinghua University- Is Socialism with Chinese Characteristics real socialism, or is it state Capitalism?
- Isn't China revisionist for having a capitalist sector of the economy, and working with capitalists? Why isn't it fully planned like the USSR was?
- Castro on why both China and Vietnam are socialist countries.
- Roderic Day - China has billionaires.
- What is socialism with Chinese characteristics (SWCC)?
- How is SWCC not revisionist? How is it any different from Gorbachev's market reforms?
- Domenico Losurdo - is China state capitalist?
- Did Lenin say anything about Market Socialism, or productivism?
- Vijay Prashad - Is China capitalist?
- Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
- China cracks down on billionaires - Ben Norton interviews Ian Goodrum
- Do capitalists control the communist party? No, pic
- How the State runs business in China.
- 50% of the economy is in the socialist public sector and directly follows the plan (40% if you ignore the agricultural sector). 20 to 30% is inside the state capitalist sector, which is the sector partially or totally owned by domestic capitalists but run by the CPC or by local workers councils. The rest is made up of the small bourgeois ownership like in the NEP.
- China pushing forward Marxist training in colleges, attracts 1M students.
- China tells the US that it has no plans to weaken the role of its State-Owned-Enterprises, one of the US's main demands in the trade war. "Beijing plans to make the state economy stronger, bigger, and better."
- Unlike the US, China refuses to bail out over-leveraged property developers, and lets them go bankrupt.
China is quite literally run by billionaires.
China's parliament has about 100 Billionaires and their wealth disparity has only been growing
also why do y'all keep bringing up the US? The US is run by billionaries and is full of wage slaves with no healthcare. no one here is simping for the US or saying its doing good.
Hurun is a private UK-based finance news org that pulls most of their data out of their ass. Its accountable to no one. They think Xi Xinping is a billionaire lol. The 2nd NYT article is linking the same untrustworthy source.
It's hilarious that you think you're not doing the thing in the meme I just linked, yet the article you just gave me has this quote:
By comparison, the U.S. doesn’t have a single billionaire in Congress. The wealthiest member, California Republican Darrell Issa, is worth around $440 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
There are a few billionaires in the national people's congress tho, out of 3k members. They're there for the CPC to keep accountable, and help advise on financial dealings in a globalized world market. China is also executing billionaires at the rate of about one per year, who don't fall in line.
Why not just admit you know nothing about China's political system, and try to learn about it instead of ignorantly repeating everything your news tells you?
