Unfortunately, you can't abolish the bad parts of race without abolishing the good parts as well. Race (and, as an extension, nationalism) has served as an important frame for revolutionary and liberatory movements as much as it's served for oppressive ones. It may be socially constructed but it's still very real to people and that isn't going to change.
I don't know if I'd agree with that. The essential nature of racial identity plays an important role in lots of indigenous movements. Just look at something like AIM or Négritude (at least as Senghor theorized it). They definitely weren't trying to abolish race as a concept. That veers awfully close to the lib idea that "colorblindness" is something desirable.
But I'm also white and really shouldn't be commenting on PoC movements one way or another. If any PoC comrades chime in on this, take their words over mine.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I appreciate it and will try to reread it a couple times. You raise a good point about how a lot of this categorizing has its roots in colonialism.
The essential nature of racial identity plays an important role in lots of indigenous movements.
what essential idendity? indigenous movements are not seperate from their material and cultural reality, nor are there essential racial differences in human phyisiology or psychology, race is always socially constructed
That veers awfully close to the lib idea that “colorblindness” is something desirable.
insane non-sequitur, and literally not an argument just saying you associate x with y
You see how this is a Eurocentric viewpoint, right? A lot of very passionate and very revolutionary PoC, at least ones I've talked to, don't subscribe to this idea that race is all just a giant hoax that doesn't really mean anything. Some AIM people I've talked to very strongly hold that being indigenous, especially their unique tribal history, is part of who they are and what makes them who they are. If you told them they were being fooled by a "social construct" they'd be really offended.
And, even if it is a social construct, so what? Consent is a social construct. Gender is a social construct. Socialism is a social construct. Everything's a social construct! Being a construct doesn't make something not real or not important.
Like, I get how these concepts can be twisted by white supremacists. I do. It's obvious how easily they can take this sort of rhetoric and turn it into justifying white "purity" and other bullshit. But racial identity is fucking important to non-white people and saying that they just need to get over it because "we're all humans" is a hell of a white take.
A sense of one's race can provide a foundation of lived experience and motivation for resisting imperialism and colonialism. Look at historical movements like Indian independence or the Tagalog revolt in the Philippines, for example.
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Unfortunately, you can't abolish the bad parts of race without abolishing the good parts as well. Race (and, as an extension, nationalism) has served as an important frame for revolutionary and liberatory movements as much as it's served for oppressive ones. It may be socially constructed but it's still very real to people and that isn't going to change.
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I don't know if I'd agree with that. The essential nature of racial identity plays an important role in lots of indigenous movements. Just look at something like AIM or Négritude (at least as Senghor theorized it). They definitely weren't trying to abolish race as a concept. That veers awfully close to the lib idea that "colorblindness" is something desirable.
But I'm also white and really shouldn't be commenting on PoC movements one way or another. If any PoC comrades chime in on this, take their words over mine.
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I appreciate it and will try to reread it a couple times. You raise a good point about how a lot of this categorizing has its roots in colonialism.
This is some quality shit comrade.
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what essential idendity? indigenous movements are not seperate from their material and cultural reality, nor are there essential racial differences in human phyisiology or psychology, race is always socially constructed
insane non-sequitur, and literally not an argument just saying you associate x with y
You see how this is a Eurocentric viewpoint, right? A lot of very passionate and very revolutionary PoC, at least ones I've talked to, don't subscribe to this idea that race is all just a giant hoax that doesn't really mean anything. Some AIM people I've talked to very strongly hold that being indigenous, especially their unique tribal history, is part of who they are and what makes them who they are. If you told them they were being fooled by a "social construct" they'd be really offended.
And, even if it is a social construct, so what? Consent is a social construct. Gender is a social construct. Socialism is a social construct. Everything's a social construct! Being a construct doesn't make something not real or not important.
Like, I get how these concepts can be twisted by white supremacists. I do. It's obvious how easily they can take this sort of rhetoric and turn it into justifying white "purity" and other bullshit. But racial identity is fucking important to non-white people and saying that they just need to get over it because "we're all humans" is a hell of a white take.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM
Y’all on a roll with the trash takes on racism today.
Not an argument.
Oh you want to argue with me?
Go argue with yourself.
Sounds about white of you, dude.
Name a single good part of race.
A sense of one's race can provide a foundation of lived experience and motivation for resisting imperialism and colonialism. Look at historical movements like Indian independence or the Tagalog revolt in the Philippines, for example.
yeah and it can be good, but it doesnt stop you from being a human being dude