• LapGoat@pawb.social
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    1 year ago

    yeah sure, just reply to my comment with a list of the things you want to be able to say that you cant say here and ill point you in the right direction.

      • LapGoat@pawb.social
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        1 year ago

        yeah yeah yeah I hear you, but what im asking you is: what is it exactly that you want to say, that you apparently can't say here?

        personally, I have said everything I want to say and have had zero problems. free speech up the wazoo, ya know?

        • five@lemmy.kde.social
          hexagon
          ·
          1 year ago

          The instance you are in pawb.social for example have rules against cryptocurrencies, nfts and "misinformation"

          • LapGoat@pawb.social
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            1 year ago

            yeah I dont really care to talk about crypto, nfts, and misinformation there. Im more there to look at cute furries and technology.

            there are other spaces for those things, and if I wanted to post misinformation id undelete my Facebook account.

            you haven't answered the question lol.

            • five@lemmy.kde.social
              hexagon
              ·
              1 year ago

              I would like to reply to all sort of comment and idea according to free speech

              in case you missed it

              • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Until you actually clarify everyone is going to assume you're mad that you can't say the n-word and are a huge bigot.

                EDIT: at this point, even if you clarify, I personally will assume you're just covering your ass

              • LapGoat@pawb.social
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                1 year ago

                ah you misunderstant, let me be more clear.

                what exactly is it that you wish to say/post that you cannot do here, in this comment section?

                • five@lemmy.kde.social
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  Do you have some understanding problems? I created this thread asking if there's a list of instances that support free speech, what i would like to reply in general i already said to you two times

                  • Iraglassceiling [she/her]
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                    1 year ago

                    most instances have a long list or rules and doesn't seem to tolerate basic slurs

                    “Basic slurs” lmao you poor thing I’m so sorry you can’t express yourself fully. It must be very painful to have your free speech limited so much.

                  • LapGoat@pawb.social
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                    1 year ago

                    yeah but that stuff is totally fine, not against any rules here.

                    you haven't answered a single time: what exactly is it, that you would like to say, that you currently cannot?

                  • Big P@feddit.uk
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                    1 year ago

                    Obviously though there's something in particular that you want to see that you aren't able to.

                  • CmdrShepard@lemmy.one
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    You also stated the rules you're finding are too vague yet you refuse to answer anyone's question with anything but the most vague answer.

      • Ardipithecus [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Free speech isn't some magic phrase that exists in a vacuum. All online communities have restrictions on what can be said (most basically, violent threats as an example). Say whatever you want, but be ready to accept those consequences.

        Maybe this is a bad assumption, but I would guess you're from the US (like me). Our First Amendment protects our speech from "Government Interference" (still not totally true, but w/e). Free Speech doesn't mean consequence free speech in various spaces.

        Regardless, you admitted earlier you're upset you can't use slurs so this is probably falling on deaf ears...

    • American_Badass [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Objectively true answer. Left wing speech is what is threatened and a place that advocates for it should be viewed as the protector of free speech.

  • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    There cannot be "free speech" instances because every instance (or more generally speaking: any online community) I am aware of that claims to be "free speech" ends up being an alt-right echo chamber, a platform for hate speech, or a site to share questionable pornographic content.

    Unfortunately you need moderation if your Internet platform is open to the public.

    • ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip
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      1 year ago

      The people who make these posts looking for "free speech" are really looking for no consequence speech. They like to pretend they're fans of the town square but ignore the fact that people can get run out of the town square, they can get shouted down in the town square, and they can get drowned out by the others in the town square.

      They want to be able to say hateful things without being accountable for their hate. That's not free speech as envisioned by anyone who is an actual advocate of open society or free speech.

      What we have on Lemmy is probably the closest thing we'll ever get to a public square in the Internet. Someone can go and say their hateful thing. Then they can get run out of the instance they're on and go find another one. If they say hateful things and get run out of there, they can find another one. Who knows, one day they might find an instance full of like minded hateful people who don't run them out. Of course, they're likely to find that instance is not federated very well or broadly. Much like people from non racist towns don't like to have much to do with towns widely known to be full of racists.

      • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        ... and if they can't find a town square where they can spew their hate, they can still found their own town!

        The people who make these posts looking for “free speech” are really looking for no consequence speech

        This is why I intentionally use "free speech" instead of free speech. Free speech is important and and essential part of every society.

    • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Exactly, it's happened on literally every subreddit with lax moderation and it would definitely happen here as well.

      • 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        I remember Voat which started as "free speech" alternative to Reddit. When I checked the site out the first thing I saw was an underage anime character without clothing on the front page.

        Not sure if this is what we want the Threadiverse to be associated with. (Well, actually I am sure that we don't want that.)

    • five@lemmy.kde.social
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      I did not ask for alt-right instances or unmoderated, i asked for a list of instances that support free speech

  • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.uk
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    1 year ago

    I doubt there are truly any. Even on the free speech advocating instances, I imagine if you started posting terrorist threats and/or scat porn you'd quickly find their limits on free speech (bonus points for combining the two in one post).

    If you just want to say nasty things about minorities (which these kinds of posts are often code for) or hype some crypto scam then there are instances for that.

    • nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de
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      1 year ago

      There are still a lot of caveats. For example, your server hosting provider can block you for posting objectionable content, like anti-LGBT references. If you host at home, you ISP can ban you. Then comes the domain extension. The domain extentions are controlled by some company or the other, like .com is managed by verizon, .zip is managed by Google etc. They, or the domain provider can also terminate your contract.

      Onion domains may be a solution, but if you post seriously objectionable content, like leaking CIA secrets, you can expect someone to knock on your door soon.

  • dan1101@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Freedom of speech is for the government, not privately run servers. This sounds like a Republican not wanting people to disagree with him. That's fine but maybe try 4chan or that trump twitter site?

  • CAPSLOCKFTW@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Free speech does not mean that you can say anything. You can't break the rights of others by using your own rights. For example, racial slurs violate human rights of those targeted by them.

    • Ardipithecus [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Uhhh, no, sorry sweaty, they're just words. Screaming historically violent obscenities at marginalized groups is good, actually. It's just the marketplace of ideas. Besides, they could call me cracker if they want, so it's equal. free-real-estate

  • VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social
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    1 year ago

    I think burgitt.moe and exploding heads is supposedly all about free speech. And of course the latter is now basically haven for hate speech so this is why people tend to put in rules.

  • HSL@wayfarershaven.eu
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    1 year ago

    This thread has been borderline against rule #2 for a few hours now. Plus it's turning into a repeat of a conversation from last week, so rule #4. Locking.